I genuinely think that there has to be some kinda bracket for voting on age-restriction topics in EU parliament. Because those old people in parliament are so out of touch with the technology and how children behave nowadays, but they still vote for degenerate and retarded shit like chat control, believing that it is worth to surveil 400 million people, just to result major outflow of cybercriminals to other communication channels.

I dont like conspiracies, but what if eventually their goal is to just send all criminals into free and open solutions, then ban these solutions , because they’re used by criminals.

I think obligating multi-billion companies to moderate their shit, to make the space more safe is the best solution.

Yea you hadn’t have to write an entire scenario to say that this proposal is technically undoable, unsustainable, surveilling, cures the consequence instead of cause, and is surveillance proposal packaged as child safety

I will structure my answers accordingly to the spaces. If I missed something you can point it out, I’d like to not reduct the discussion to one specific issue , thus making the argument kinda pointless. Also my level of english is kinda bad, so I might make no sense sometimes or repeat some statements.

First off, persistent culture and language are both illusions. Culture of a region changes dramatically due to circumstances and progress even without the influence of immigration. Language not only changes across time but across regions. The American vernacular spoken in Atlanta is distinct from Chicago or Los Angeles, or Seattle. Secondly, intrinsic non-mainstream and counter-culture groups are going to be marginalized, and as Dr. King observed there’s a pipeline from not worthy to be my neighbor to genocide. And history continuously bears this out. Culture includes the chattelization of women. It includes the criminalization of LGBT+. It includes the persecution of other religions, of other ministries of the same religion. It includes preserving commercial monopolies. Culture includes the preservation of sociopolitical hierarchies and dynastic power.

What I meant is rather that some societies mainly are separated by language, interests and culture. And I did not mean ethnic nationalism, it is absurd thing. And I was not saying local culture should have a legal privilege. Also there is no such thing as presistent culture and language, new languages appear, older disappear. Cultures merge and emerge, but when we are talking about having state without any kinda local dominant culture and societal rules that everyone just grew with, it is unsustainable and unrealistic to happen, because people really often just don’t want to live in foreign countries, people really like living among people they some common things like history, language or relatives. I did not mean that immigration being big factor yet you cant ignore it as well, because eventually it does influence the culture a lot. My message was critique of the liberal idea of multi-cultural state, where there is dominance of local culture(s). Why im against of this idea is because it destroys the pluralism of different cultures meaning destroys diversity of mindsets, that is actually a important thing for humanity in terms of progress. Also what you pointed out is the consequence of religious influence on the cultures. Christianity and any other abrahamic religions actually caused lots of censorship, and added useless complexities into many european and southern cultures, including contributing a lot to the gender inequality. Not to say that that’s the only reason, the patriarchy started much sooner than the rise of monoteism and abrahamic religions , but lots of thing we see as chattelization, misoginy etc. originates from religious doctrines. Im not against transformation of societies into more tolerant, genderly equal, hierarchless societies(India reference?). It is just that multi-cultural heaven is not happening (if the multi-culture means state without any majority culture(s))

In the US today, the culture war is over the genocide of immigrants and LGBT+ and the ultimately exclusion of everyone who is not MAGA and white Christian nationalist. It is about the genocide of everyone not part of the movement in the name of white supremacy. And ultimately MAGA will start cutting into its own. The fascists always do.

I have no idea about US. Im from eastern Europe. I dont even exactly know what culture war is :/ .

Give me diversity, equity and inclusion. Give me pluralistic liberal democracy that values human rights over property rights, that values rule of law. In that environment, the cultures will sort themselves out, and blend into regional variations unique to the area. We don’t need moral guardians trying to tell society what it should be.

I actually agree with it. but also *direct democracy, and *socialism . But also I think nation can decide itself whether they want to integrate the migrants or give autonomy. For example in Estonia we have lots of russians from USSR , who migrated because there were much better living conditions than in RSFSR, and i used to live in russian neighborhoods and even ghettos. And integrating russian schools into estonian was actually one of the best things in terms of integrating them, and making children learn estonian on a near-native level. This helped decline the segregation and isolation of russians from estonian society. . But at the same time we have a great minority called Võro and Seto, who are endangered languages-cultures. They need absolutely opposite approach, they need more autonomy and deserve state-funding for võro-seto education, translation of books, programs etc. This is kinda thing I mean when I say “a nation can impose rules on how their culture relates to others.”

And, then we can have Chicago-style pizza and New-York-style pizza. We can have Methodism, Catholicism, Sunni Islam, Hindi, and Atheism in the same city. (And hundreds of other faiths, spiritual dispositions and identity communities.) We can allow people to explore sexual and gender identity on their own terms, and find there’s even a letter for them in the alphabet. We can have an economy that isn’t run by only a dozen conglomerate corporations selling us shoddy goods for fixed prices. Rather we can regulate the economy to serve the people, with robust competition and state-sponsored science. We can have a society that is shaped by the will of the people, rather than the personal preferences of a handful of oligarchs.

Based? Except im against building new religious building or helping preserve religions, because they harmed humanity a lot. Im not against theistic views though, the theory that there might be some creature that made everything we see, can totally exist. It is not scientifically provable, but it doesn’t force people to hate themselves for being humans in a doctrine manner

No, culture has lost the plot, and no culture should be privileged in a society over any other. Whenever we allow it, xenophobia dominates, and genocide follows. I generally agree with this. You probably just have different US-centered perspective

Facebook spreads so much conspiracies and shit, that my elderly mother just cant believe otherwise. She’s on facebook since 2010 i think. It is actually sad to see that my mother is also spreading conspiracies and russian propaganda :(

Dark psychology 😈😈

So far, this is most degenerate argument I’ve met on lemmy.

I think that a nation can impose rules on how their culture relates to others. There is nothing wrong in a state that’s purpose is to presereve its culture’s majority, language and so on. The problem is not immigration itself, but the causes (neocolonialism).

The problem is that right-wing populists make a career on promising solving problem they caused themselves. The liberal multicultural utopia cant sustain itself, and doesnt have any long-term benefits to the humanity or a particular society.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

Also nice indicator of missing critical thinking.

Free market will solve it, right?

We have approx. 100 members.

Estomian shrooms won’t sell themselves!!

Estonia is kinda shitty imo (im estomian🇪🇪). We dont have any big political activity except Tartu. Most people are still with this soviet mindset that you can’t have impact on anything. Which lead to status quo coming to power , thus increasing poverty, and now conservatives get more popular, because they promise infinite QoL and money glitch, which will lead to even worse conditions of the country i assume. Estomian electorate can not think about any left idealogies apparently.

BTW: eventually i decided to revive the Pirate Party of Estonia. So if there is some true patriotic estomians, visit https://piraadid.ee/

ESTOMIAN MENTIONED 🇪🇪🇪🇪🇪🇪🇪🇪🇪🇪🇪🇪🇪🇪🇪🇪🇪🇪.

First of all, you missed a nice opportunity to mention my weak points. Second, western media loves to satanize dprk, yet the gulags are not just yet another speculation from noname korean outlet that was reposted by the bigger western ones, it is a real violation of human rights as well as the executions of families being a thing. You can not call documented years of systematic public executions and gulags “tabloid shit”.

[ Also comparing Maduro, a dictator that rigged elections (thus being dictator , because people were against his regime) , to a real socialist like Allende, that came to power in a real competition, and had a real name, without having to establishing state oligarchy under red flag and calling it a socialism, is ironical at best. No one is sad because Maduro is captured, no one cares about him, many people celebrated even. When Allende was killed, even those frustrated by the chaos of 1970s , respected the fact that he was a legitimate leader, Allende died because he did not want to flee, and died with rifle in his hands. But I do understand it is some sort of analogy. ]

Your takeaway , that the only way to build a socialism is through “seizing power and never lose it” a.k.a turning from socialist system into yet another state oligarchy is also hilarious, because this is literally what the so called “social bloc” , the fact that soviet union and china was no different from corpocracy , where the main goal is oppress any independent worker unions, silence the people, and own as much as possible in the hands of the one guy. This system is unsustainable and leads to anything but socialism. Socialism without democracy is not socialism by the very fundamental idea of socialism, the society supposed to own the means of production, not the state oligarchs , that cannot be replaced by democratic voting. Instead you get corpocracy wanting to expand (definitely not imperialism, but a good will), crushing everything beneath them, putting oligarchs, censoring everything and locking down their people.

If you need an alternative to US imperialism and tankie dictatorship, how about getting rid of any hegemony, thus weakening the most dangerous actor (US) , and then do political activism all together , to return to the strong social-democratic baseline, and then, Meidner’s plan, independent workers unions, worker’s self-management and trying different approaches to moving from free market to market socialism or similar.

I don’t want to know your opinion if it is not about people ruling the state.

Congrats, you make no sense, feel free to stfu ❤️‍🩹

Any religion is pointless and bad. Also what I meant is that believing in need of wearing clothes because god said so is caused by lack of integration and racism likely.

Apparently so. It is much easier if you have connection to mainland in terms of living. Yet, you are still ignoring the execution part :/

P.S Fuck tankies btw.

queermunist@lemmy.ml

So you ignored the execution part for what purpose? And also Cuba is island without any connections to the mainland. north korea can buy supplies. I agree that all countries need independent economy without sanctions, so the dictatorships could naturally disolve and establish a real dictatorship of the proletariat - democracy or preferably direct democracy. Why no one of you tankies mention a true socialist that was elected by people (not put on the throne by soviets, or like bolsheviks just opressing and ignoring alternative parties like social-revolutionaries, that got the majority in учередительное собрание) like Salvodor Allende , who was killed during CIA-assisted coup.

Hot take: tankies are the main reason why social-democratic consensus ended.