And how did that work out? Did people come out to vote for the Dems?

Maybe if they had listened to the polls, the Dems would have had a candidate that people were willing to vote for in the main election

Voters were saying it very loudly, the Democratic leadership just ignored them. Polls were very clear that nobody wanted either of them to run, and they both had a low approval ratings. The ticket wasn’t his to give, it was up to the voters. The Democrats chose to skip the voters, so the voters abandoned them.

I don’t see why anyone would expect voters to stick with a party that treats it’s base so disrespectfully.

I feel that “a functioning healthcare system that doesn’t bankrupt people”, or “lets not light the planet on fire”, or “lets make housing affordable”, or “genocide is bad” aren’t really huge requests. They seem like basic goals that any political leader should be able to shoot for. I guess I don’t feel like those are anywhere near approaching “perfectionism”.

I feel like your missing that many people do see the Democrats as the bad guys, and I can’t say that I blame them. We recently asked them to say “Genocide is bad, and we won’t support it” and they wouldn’t. They are the baddies

Maybe the Democrats should prove the complainers wrong. The Democratic leadership has had plenty of opportunity to build trust amongst the voters, and decided to ignore them instead. They’ve spent years letting their voters down, which is why they aren’t trusted.

A rigged primary, where the voters weren’t really given a choice. Voters were very vocal that they didn’t want him to run again, and the leadership openly ignored them. Next time, maybe the leadership should listen to the base that they claim they represent.

They fell far short of canceling the student loans that they promised, the climate bill was laughably insufficient, they did a terrible job during covid. They also recked the economy (some of which wasn’t their fault, some of it was), backed a genocide, and ran 2 terrible campaigns. It seems pretty clear to me why voters didn’t trust them.

I also never advocated for letting the Republicans back into office. I’m not sure where that came from.

I seeing us everywhere. I’m not sure what your talking about

And I can’t say that I blame them. Biden’s presidency… or his campaign… or Harris’ campaign…

It was a shit-show all the way through. Maybe next time the Democrats should try catering to their voter base.

I’m not a Democrat, so take this with a grain of salt: I think the Democratic leadership are indeed the baddies (just like the Republican leadership). I think most Democratic voters are well-intentioned people, who’ve been suckered into beliving the lies leadership.

It’s OK to be suckered in. I’ve been suckered into a lot of things. To broadly paraphrase: The best time to realize you’ve been suckered is yesterday. The next best time to realize is today.

Who said reality is better now? I certaintly didn’t. I’m also not sure why you brought up Accelerationists. Maybe you’re replying to the wrong post?

The Democratic leadership has had the chance to change, and have chosen not to. They had a majority, and spent the entire time bitching that there was nothing they could do for their voting base. But they sure had the ability to do things that their voting base expressly didn’t want. I think voters saw through that, and when the time came to put their faith in the Democratic leadership, they couldn’t. And I don’t blame the voters for that, I blame the leadership.

I don’t understand what you mean by AOC putting in the work. I constantly see her talking a big talk, but I’ve yet to see her walk a big walk.

I’m not sure most people did want Trump. His approval rating is terrible, and the majority of people didn’t vote for him.

I think a better analogy would be: Do you want a shit-sandwich, or a shit-sandwich with rainbow sprinkles.

Are the rainbow sprinkles better? I guess yeah, techinically. But I’m still not eating the sandwich. Maybe next time, the Democrats should leave the shit out of the sandwhich.

Democrats are far from great, in fact they are pretty evil. I don’t see how voting for a party that gets more evil every election is going to make anything better.

I think it’s pretty fair to blame the democratic leadership for being evil, and running a terrible candidate, who ran on a terrible platform, rather than blaming the voters who loudly told them what to change to earn more votes.

I find it very telling when someone gets mad at the people who couldn’t stomach voting for a genocide, rather than getting mad at the party for running on a pro-genocide platform

They offered a genocidist, who campaigned with the Cheneys. Maybe next time, the Democrats could offer a candidate that the people actually want.