https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcJJ7UldMc8

many people choose other lines, and their decisions are equally as arbitrary as someone who draws the line at sentience.

it is arbitrary, since you can choose to draw the line in many places.

what I mean is it’s an arbitrary line to draw. you might choose to draw the line at living things, or terrestrial life, or terrestrial and ocean life. but, arbitrarily, some people choose to draw the line at sentience. the vegan society definition arbitrarily draws the line at animal life.

sentience is arbitrary, too.

If its less money out of one’s bank then the subsidies are a secondary consideration if they’re considered at all

It could be that in wealthy countries it is cheaper to consume meat due to factors like subsidization. Or, as I said, a thousand other factors.

there could be a thousand confounding factors. you probably oversimplified

you’re just name calling

The central analogy to the civil rights movement and the women’s movement is trivializing and ahistorical. Both of those social movements were initiated and driven by members of the dispossessed and excluded groups themselves, not by benevolent men or white people acting on their behalf. Both movements were built precisely around the idea of reclaiming and reasserting a shared humanity in the face of a society that had deprived it and denied it. No civil rights activist or feminist ever argued, “We’re sentient beings too!” They argued, “We’re fully human too!” Animal liberation doctrine, far from extending this humanist impulse, directly undermines it.

Speciesism is not merely plausible; it is essential for right conduct, because those who will not make the morally relevant distinctions among species are almost certain, in consequence, to misapprehend their true obligations.

what in the boomer book is this doing on lemmy

your not countering them, you’re just being mean.

objectively, it is a veterinary procedure. that’s the reality.

now who is putting words in others’ mouths?

i haven’t supported any opinions at all.

I haven’t said they’re lesser. I don’t think they did either, but it’s possible I missed it.

Artificial insemination is not a veterinary procedure

it is. denying it doesn’t change reality.

you’re just doubling down. try some selfcrit

Theunknownmuncher said that I trivialize the experience of human rape victims.

i think it’s reasonable to say that when you compare a veterinary procedure to rape.

You made a personal attack when you put words in my mouth

no, they didn’t.