Yeah, romans began to use soap at roughly year zero. I wonder why. I wonder why people use deodorant every day, when they just can spray water under their arms.

thanks, thats certainly a good read! I wonder though why clinics don’t have soap bars; maybe thats not true, but is it not general knowledge that soap bars spread germs?

ah, you answered that as well, sorry. thanks!

yeah, seeing it from that side, I agree. you are right

no and yes to that; there are tall people and small people, but that is usually not a medical condition.

everyone is built the same. and certainly nobody is built to have life detrimental skin conditions; yes, severe gene defects exist. But if you are swaetting a lot and you stink like a skunk, there is a very good reason for it. and the reason is:

something is hindering homöostasis to work properly- and that is usually a thing you ingested but don’t need, or a thing you did not ingest, but need. plus toxin exposure.

what do I mean by that?

Biochemistry works the same for everybody. it does not change to do something different, ever. Hormones are biochemistry.

thats worng, you describe disinfectants, soap breaks the fatty bonds that stick the bacteria to your skin. so, while you whash your hands, these alive bactera are whashed down the drain.

the question is: are they sick and thus the skin is out of whack, or are they sick because the skin is out of whack?

now try doing that with hair. or your hands after vivisecting a corpse, and then delivering a baby. clean up feces and vomit, and then try to get rid of the smell without soap.

every farm worker that works with life stock knows what i am talking about. ever worked on an engine, then tried to clean your hands with water or oliveoil?

I guess the oil has merits, since certain oils DO have detergent properties.

https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.abe7275

But if you’re looking to have your mind blown, take a shower and just scrub your skin with a brush, loofah or the palm of your hand and be amazed when you still get clean. If you’re really grimey, you can do what the Romans did and rub yourself with olive oil and scrape it off with a scraper before doing that.

I will try that, thanks.

You are right about one thing: if you are healthy, the skin will provide everything it needs to take care of itself. you ever wondered why kids don’t stink, have easy to wipe bottoms, and don’t need to wash their hair every day, and what have you? its because they are not yet broken like adults are. yes, it is also the hormones; but if you have an adult that really stinks up the place after taking a shover, chances are that their metabolism is out of whack; the skin is full of microorganisms, and they have a kind of balanced relation ship with the skin. if this gets thrown, certain microorganisms will overtake the others, and produce smells like crazy.

As such, we had ways of dealing with that well before we had soap and people didn’t just immediately switch.

That logic is hard to dismiss, that is sure interesting. you are absolutely right. I wonder what they did.

Early soaps were used for the preparation of textiles rather than personal hygiene.

I guess they used it to clean absolutely everything. because soap loosens up fatty bonds. thats why using disinfectant does not get rid of the dead bacteria; they are still on your hands, albeit dead. soap does not kill most of germs, but thy are unable to cling to the skin.

I was in poor regions of africa multiple times; the poorest of the poor would use soap when they could. people are poor, but not stupid. if what you said would work, they would do it, but they buy soap instead.

wikipedia:

Roman Empire

Pliny the Elder, whose writings chronicle life in the first century AD, describes soap as “an invention of the Gauls”.[22] The word sapo, Latin for soap, likely was borrowed from an early Germanic language and is cognate with Latin sebum, “tallow”. It first appears in Pliny the Elder’s account,[23] Historia Naturalis, which discusses the manufacture of soap from tallow and ashes. There he mentions its use in the treatment of scrofulous sores, as well as among the Gauls as a dye to redden hair which the men in Germania were more likely to use than women.[24][25] The Romans avoided washing with harsh soaps before encountering the milder soaps used by the Gauls around 58 BC.[26] Aretaeus of Cappadocia, writing in the 2nd century AD, observes among “Celts, which are men called Gauls, those alkaline substances that are made into balls […] called soap”.[27] The Romans’ preferred method of cleaning the body was to massage oil into the skin and then scrape away both the oil and any dirt with a strigil.[28] The standard design is a curved blade with a handle, all of which is made of metal.[29]

The 2nd-century AD physician Galen describes soap-making using lye and prescribes washing to carry away impurities from the body and clothes. The use of soap for personal cleanliness became increasingly common in this period. According to Galen, the best soaps were Germanic, and soaps from Gaul were second best. Zosimos of Panopolis, circa 300 AD, describes soap and soapmaking.

many oduors subside once you get rid of candida and bacteria. I had smelly sweaty feet, lost 30 kilos, feet dry and no smell anymoe, i am so happy.

so does water with high hydrogencarbonate.

so thats why soap is one of the oldest chemical inventions : because you dont actually need it. pure luxury.

Also nein? nix für dummies? Ich frag für einen Freund. erinnert mich an statine

Boah alter, das ist kompliziert

gibts zu der thematik was für dummies?

Danke!

has to be old bud spencer and terrence hill movies, pretty popular in germany. I know there is a couple of them, but they are all pretty much the same anyway. ;-)

“stoffwechsel alle unterschiedlich” ist die einfache antwort für leute, die die komplizierte antwort nicht verstehen.

du isst nichts morgens, weil du höchstwahrscheinlich nicht insulinresistent bit, und morgens in der fettverbrennung steckst, was eine wunderbare sache ist. du machst nichts falsch, alles ist wunderbar.

die ursache für “jeder hat einen anderen stoffwechsel” ist, dass alle menschen um einen herum in der unterschiedlichsten art und weise defekt sind.

jeder braucht sauerstoff, wasser, mineralstoffe, spurenelemnte, mengenelemente, vitamine, fett, proteine, kurzkettige fettsäuren usw.

und jeder macht absolut das gleiche damit. wenn das nicht so wäre, würde der rettungsdienst jeden zweiten patienten verlieren, weil dieser komisch auf medis, beatmung und so weiter reagiert. das gleiche bei anästesie.

sorry daß ich dir soviel von vitaminen aufgequatscht habe, anscheinend geht es dir prima, und du hörst sehr gut auf deinen korper, viel besser als ich.

das mag so aussehen, wenn man diese beiden stoffe betrachtet, und daraus schlüsse zieht ;-)

ja ;-)

sp richtig merk ich an den pausen, was abgeht, ich mach ja wochenlange pausen.

yeah, you are right. seems you know whats up.

neee ist es nicht. biochemie ist biochemie. naja, falls dir die haare ausfallen oder sowas …

aber ich will dir da nicht reinreden, sorry, ich dachte, ich sei auf der richtigen spur.

aber trotzdem:

der spruch “jeder mensch ist anders” ist unsinn. jeder mensch funktioniert genau gleich.

ah sorry. dann liegts nicht daran-.

du ahnst nicht, wie recht du hast, biochemisch gesehen. ein stimulanz ist weit unschädlicher als ein antidepressivum, weil das stimulanz natürliche funktionen des körpers manipuliert, um dir in den arsch zu treten.

antidepressiva hingegen machen mit voller absicht irgendetwas zufälliges kapput, und es stellte sich heraus, daß man dann sedierter und entpsannter ist.

und das zweite ist halt kaputtmachen.