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This missed the historical context for why downvotes were disabled on Hexbear in the first place. Moderators were trying to implement trans-friendly policies and features like pronouns, and reactionary weirdos kept downvoting the shit out of people who agreed with and wanted those features. Mods tried to ban based on upvotes and downvotes, but it didn’t work.

I think the assumption that any site’s general culture will be correct on an issue is a faulty one. Yeah, it’s going to be generally correct about international politics or Marxism or something everyone researched on the site probably (when it’s on Hexbear or Lemmygrad at least), but anyone who’s part of a smaller or more fucked over minority has to basically fight an uphill battle to even be listened to even with downvotes off. With downvotes on, someone asking for accommodations or sympathy in a radical or surprising way that other users haven’t seen before will just be shut down entirely. I think a good example of this is how I’ve seen people constantly make fun of others for stuff like not showering and, when people talk about how those with depression often do their best but can’t manage it and so making fun of someone for that can be hurtful, they were just ridiculed. If downvotes were enabled most complaints about ableism or more obscure forms of anti-queer oppression would be pushed to the fringes and ignored.

The main issue with downvotes are that they allow those with hegemonic beliefs to enforce them without considering why they hold those beliefs in the first place.

So ultimately, it’s a trade off between if you want to be open to more radical theory that people would have a knee-jerk reaction to and downvote, or be more closed to that theory but allow site members to enforce the popular opinion more strongly

The landlord fucking charged me a cleaning fee for the sheet left on the bedbug infested mattress

the fact this is downvoted while a meme that explicitly just dunks on anarchists without any real critique to it is just sad

The narwhal bacons at my axe

I’m used to everything pro-Ukraine on this instance being downvoted to hell. Everyone who supports Russia is being downvoted instead. What is going on?

Because we just kinda wanted to do it? It isn’t essential to quality of life, either. I mean, i love the idea of it, but it’s not an objective good to such a degree

Space travel is not objectively essential to the functioning of civilization lol

Why are we assuming that these things are all valuable according to anarchists? I think they are valuable myself, but this criticism doesn’t work

I don’t think that Bakunin is representative of most anarchist’s beliefs these days. Many of them would definitely be willing to push for reforms in bourgeoisie states to amass more worker power as a secondary tactic, a distinctly more Marx opinion than Bakunin.

I’m also going to commit a grievous sin, and say that Stalin is wrong in the exact same way a libertarian would be in that text. The individual and the mass have the exact same interests, the same character, as masses are made entirely of individuals. More recent schools of anarchism even emphasize this, with anarchists insisting that appreciation for and the liberation of the masses is essential to the liberation of the individual, that both struggles are truly identical. “For the masses” and “for the individual” are not irreconciliable, and if they were, it would imply that liberation of the mass hurts individuals… something that is blatantly untrue. Stalin‘s one and only mistake in that text is to assume that the two principles he listed are valid, and actually mean anything different from one another. Starting from an (understandably) faulty premise, Stalin is incapable of coming to a correct conclusion except through coincidence.

I say understandable, because with a quick skimming of the text, it seems that Stalin is fundamentally arguing against the faulty conclusions that anarchists drew from their own ideology at the time. I am convinced that Anarchism’s true flaws lie in contradictions with itself, flaws that would reveal an entirely different philosophy (possibly Marxism, true) if analyzed and reconciled.

And, finally, the post we’re literally talking on shows a fundamental misunderstanding of anarchism. How is it some kind of own that an anarchist doesn’t have a solid plan for space travel? Why is it presumed that everyone should want to have a solid plan for space travel? Why is our desire for space travel seen as automatically more valid than a desire to just exist without oppression? Arguing that anarchists couldn’t achieve space travel doesn’t dismiss or debunk their beliefs, quite the contrary, our belief that it can highlights that we have a fundamentally maladjusted view of anarchism.

There is such a severe misunderstanding of anarchism among socialists that not even self described anarchists know what anarchism is.

I’ve always been under the impression that the difference between Marxists and anarchists was in the need for a transitory dictatorship of the proletariat to prevent reaction. Any issues an anarchist’s ideology would face besides reaction are issues Marxists will have to deal with anyways if they’re successful.

left unity to make fun of socdems

This could be what revitalizes the western Left

Dont make me tap the sign

Given that these extreme reactionaries have such differing opinions on how and what to do, yet still manage to oppress people so quickly, I wonder how we’re not managing to organize ourselves

It’s becoming a war cry for the extreme reactionary elements in the United States, an imaginary enemy they can rally against. “Wokeism” is a completely made up ideology that does not exist, will never exist, these alt-right clowns only pretend it does for their own organizational benefit and profit.

Fine, capybara ladies.

“socdem” has been permanently associated with Bernie in my brain, and seeing what Social Democrats have been historically gives me major whiplash

Hi! I came here because I was curious about Lemmy after Hexbear swapped back over to it.

So far I’m just concerned that I’m too much of an anti-secular softie to fit here, I get the impression a lot of people here came from genzdong and other subreddits during the recent Dark Ages when self described “anarchists” started calling anyone who wanted anything more extreme than liberal policies a “tankie”, so they’re understandably pretty disillusioned with anarchists in general.

it would at least make some sense if it was “you cannot buy soda in North Korea or Cuba” but that’s almost definitely untrue and the person who made the meme knew it lmao