TankieTanuki [he/him]

A furry Marxist-Leninist varmint

I used em dashes long before LLMs were a thing, and I don’t intend to stop

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  • No, it’s not inherently liberal. It’s just that I hear it most often from liberals when discussing how Democrats and Republicans both stand for capitalist imperialism. To be fair, that’s probably primarily due to the types of discussions that anti-imperialists find themselves in.

    I wrote a tongue-in-cheek characterization of the propaganda of the nations we’re discussing here, but I’ll elaborate further.

    There are qualitative and quantitative reasons the equivalence is false.

    Qualitative: As the undisputed global hegemon, the modus operandi of the US empire is to maintain full-spectrum dominance over the globe. It does this by exploiting weaker countries and looting their resources for use by American corporations. When a country refuses to submit, US propaganda has to invert reality and depict its victim country as the bad actor in order to justify its actions. Therefore, it inherently relies on distortions. On the other hand, the propaganda of the oppressed nation simply needs to reveal the true intentions of the US empire in order to make its case.

    The best example of this is the DPRK. US propaganda frequently invents, out of whole cloth, Looney Tunes-style stories, such as Kim Jong-un executing a government official with an anti-aircraft cannon—an official who later turned up alive, by the way. In contrast, DPRK propaganda is usually centered around telling stories from the brutal war of extermination that the US carried out against it in the 1950s, like its popular museum memorializing the Sinchon Massacre.

    Quantitative: US propaganda is voluminous and far reaching due to the empire’s cultural hegemony that’s concurrent with its military hegemony. Just as the US has military bases around the world that number more than those of any other nation by orders of magnitude, so is its propaganda more numerous than that of its enemies. In fact, US propaganda is even more powerful and effective than its military is. Hollywood movies are popular worldwide. In contrast, the propaganda of its enemies is weak and typically limited in reach to within its own borders, and the language barriers limit the scope of the little bit that manages to extend further than that.

    Americans eat, breathe, and bathe in US propaganda. They rarely, if ever, are allowed to see propaganda from enemy nations. YouTube regularly bans channels that speak for China, Russia, or the DPRK. One of the greatest accomplishments of US propaganda is the creation of the perception that this dominance is inverted. They’ve convinced Americans that they do not consume any propaganda at all, and that the enemy’s propaganda is all around them. They’ve trained them to dutifully ignore or attack any narrative which portrays their enemies in a positive light because it must be originating from its conniving enemies.


















  • You’re flailing out of control, name calling, pointing and yelling “Russian propaganda!” at every inconvenient fact, and completely missing the crux of my arguments in general. Just stop.

    Stephen F. Cohen who is on the record as saying that Putin is not an autocrat, Russia’s invasion of a sovereign country was justified, and disputed evidence on MH17.

    Look, I already thought he was based. You don’t have to try to convince me further! No, Putin does not hold absolute power over his country. That’s a childish characterization. His intervention in the Ukraine civil war in 2022 was done partially because he was receiving criticism from the Duma for being soft on NATO. None of his problematic qualities change the fact that he has been popularly elected just like Western presidents have (but with a much higher approval rating which makes it even harder to deny). Ukraine effectively ceased to be a sovereign country in 2014 when it was couped by the CIA—it no longer even holds elections. The only investigation done on MH17 concluded the damage was more consistent with a NATO munition. That’s a fact.[1]

    Aaron Maté who regularly appears at events hosted and paid for by the Russian government.

    Are you one of those liberals who claims Jill Stein is a Russian agent because she had dinner in Russia once lol? Who cares?

    Bad faith argument. I didn’t say that [RT claimed Putin was a communists].

    I was making a good faith assessment of your argument by recognizing that you weren’t directly answering my request for examples of RT propaganda (which is okay), but rather making the case that Russia is right wing in order to argue that they’re not attempting to denazify Ukraine. After recognizing that crux of your argument, I proceeded to make a detailed case for why that’s irrelevant in this case.

    Ukraine didn’t pose a serious security threat to Russia prior to Russia’s invasion.

    “We should take up arms and shoot those god damned Russians along with their leader. I will rally the entire world as best as I can to turn all of Russia into a field of scorched Earth. We should light them up with nuclear weapons!” —People’s Deputy of Ukraine Yulia Tymoshenko[2] (years before Russia’s military intervention)

    Playing “let’s see which country has more photos of Nazis” is not the way to properly assess the cause of this war, but it is also a game Ukraine cannot win. There is a reason why Western news agencies have been instructed to censor far-right symbology from photos taken of the AFU—a problem that does not exist in the Russian army. Listing all of Ukraine’s examples would fill several web pages.

    What you call “making excuses” is just the acknowledgement of material reality and causation. Making excuses would be something like denying that Russian nationalists exist, or saying that it’s okay that they exist because of X. I did no such thing. I embraced the complexities and nuance. I lament the capitalist restoration which caused reactionary elements to surge in both Russia and Ukraine.

    Ukraine didn’t start the war.

    Tens of thousands of civilians dead before 2022. Just watch the first fifteen minutes of this, I beg you comrade. The West has completely ignored these events. The only party that was seriously interested in ending the civil war through diplomacy was Russia, but their attempts were scuttled at every turn.[3] Diplomatic cables from 2008 released by Wikileaks prove that the US knew that Russia did not want war in Ukraine and would only intervene if NATO kept pushing at their border.[4] The fracturing and weaponization of Ukraine was a plan thirty years in the making that was done largely out in the open.

    The war started by Russia is decimating Ukraine’s population, correct.

    Russia’s military intervention came to a natural end after just six weeks, when both sides were close to an agreement at Istanbul, but Ukraine’s puppet masters sabotaged the peace deal because they wanted to weaken Russia at the expense of Ukrainian lives.[5] Today, a majority of Ukrainians are willing to conceded territory to end the war, but the corrupt and authoritarian Zelensky regime has ignored the will of the people and suspended elections, opting instead to kidnap people to use as cannon fodder.[6]

    Threats of nuclear war. Russian propaganda.

    The Doomsday Clock is the closest to midnight it has ever been in its 78-year history.[7] That’s a fact. And the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists is a liberal Western organization.


    1. https://tankie.tube/w/nWdES2mkxMqzeBqRvAz4ez?start=1h24m32s ↩︎

    2. https://tankie.tube/w/11tj9DFjVqbdfBMzqVSUU1?start=8m4s ↩︎

    3. covertactionmagazine.com/2022/12/19/former-german-chancellor-angela-merkel-admits-that-minsk-peace-agreements-were-part-of-scheme-for-ukraine-to-buy-time-to-prepare-for-war-with-russia/ ↩︎

    4. https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/08MOSCOW265_a.html ↩︎

    5. https://geopoliticaleconomy.com/2022/09/03/west-peace-proposal-ukraine-russia/ ↩︎

    6. https://hexbear.net/comment/6759613 ↩︎

    7. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doomsday_Clock#/media/File:Doomsday_Clock_graph.svg ↩︎