Don’t bang your head on the wall with this one. Once we have more federations, the people who don’t want to play this endless cat and mouse game will simple adhere to another federation, without any NSFW content, and that will be solved.
It has been requested from day one.
In the end it will be all about federating with the right communities and not about federating everyone anymore.
A lot of people who are defending “federate everyone” do it in the name of “fear of missing” and want the numbers at all cost. They are borderline addict to infinite content, but they are a danger to quality posting. You cannot mass post AND care about the quality of what you post. It takes time to find a good article to post.
Even here we will soon read about what Elon Musk had for breakfast and will post it in “tech”. Some people want content, whatever the quality of what they read, even the title is enough for them. And sadly the current vote system works in their favor.
My guess is many of us will leave kbin for a more tight, content focused community. Also better tools will come up anyway.
Blocklists will become the norm. We cannot manually block everything in /all. It was working for the first few weeks but not anymore.
Take for example the left and the right, both will have their respective blocklists and will publish them extensively. Now publishing your own blocklist will mean that you have a horse in the race.
The waiting list is on a google page?!
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1xSpGcBc0TP3GpfNgo3F0pV86OQYiEwUcsWBu3-RtfiU/viewform
It’s 3 years old
https://old.reddit.com/submit?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.reddit.com%2Fcommunity-points%2F
I still have coins. Do you have any advice on how to use them? Is there any word out there about it?
Autoremove the subs with zero activity. After one month allow another admin to take a shot.
This uncontrolled rush killed magazines. For example /m/hardware. I wanted to start something, but it was already reserved by someone who never posted anything in a month, not a post, not a comment anywhere. There is no link to other mags on the page, no rules, no nothing.
I messaged the guy to get the magazine back but never got any answer.
I’d at least hope you were arguing in good faith, but you’re obviously not
Can’t you just say “I disagree with you” instead of accusing people of arguing in bad faith? What’s so hard with explaining why you left reddit?
Being in an instance with people who share similar topics is fine. Defederating from general instances, though, just puts you in a small bubble.
Wow, what a colossal waste of time it was. I spent time explaining the thing and that’s all I’ve got in return.
I don’t understand why you reject that any other solution other than defederation might work when it has worked for Mastodon, Pixelfed, etc.
The mass of content is different, the type of content is different. I don’t know why you compare them. Reddit is the closest example of what we are aiming for and you refused to answer why you left reddit.
I’m done, I’m not spending more time with this.
Reddit did it fine.
Reddit has one unique instance only.
Reddit had moderation everywhere.
Still reddit is flooded by low effort content.
Mags should moderate themselves. Going back to the Reddit analogy, if a subreddit mixed memes and useful content, and I didn’t want to see memes, I’d stop following that subreddit.
This is not reddit here. This is more like chaos. Reddit is an example of an instance completely defederated, with only one authority. You cannot expect the same here when you federate with everyone.
Neither do I, but that’s ironically what we’d both get if we followed your suggestion of defederating from “generic” instances. Most useful and informative communities I follow right now are on lemmy.ml and lemmy.world. If we defederate from them just because you don’t want to click the block button a couple of times, we would both lose access to most informative communities in this space.
No, they would probably post their useful information in a federation which promotes quality.
“just because you don’t want to click the block button a couple of times”
As if I was the problem. We are only one month in. What do you think will happen in 6 months? Do you really believe that new users will follow your routine to block every sub posting trash? Of course they won’t! They will follow the link to a federation that fit their style. Why not? What’s the big fuss about federating with a select group of instance? Whats the drama about? I don’t get it.
Every time someone mention defederation it’s like we kicked a hornet’s nest. People will run away from memes. And defederation is an adequate tool for this. You can stay if you want, other people will leave.
If, however, we simply filter some of the most active communities’ content out, and enable users to keep blocking out stuff they don’t want to see at all, you can get a good mix of all the content you follow, and you can still go directly to the communities in which you want to read every single thread and read every single thread. We could even have a /sub and a /filtered-sub, where in the first one you’d see aboslutely everything, and in the second one you’d have a Reddit style sub tab with a mix of content of the various communities you follow.
You won’t win this race. Eventually people wanting quality will rejoin people wanting quality on another federation.
And that’s fine IMO. /r/all was unusable on Reddit, too, and I think that’s fine because it’s not made for you or me. Some of my friends loved /r/all, though, and refused to use the sub only view. I think like on Reddit, /all is meant for people who want to see content from absolutely everything and like living in chaos, basically. I personally don’t see the point of that, so I’d rather follow /sub. But I want /sub to have all of communities I follow, and not have most communities arbitrarily cut out because, again, you alone don’t like memes.
Fine, you are welcome to stay with the meme enjoyers. It makes me wonder why you are not on reddit. If reddit “does it so well” why didn’t you stay on reddit?
ETA: I love that there is no algorithm showing me more of what I’ve already engaged with or more of what it thinks I want. I like being exposed to new stuff that I didn’t know I wanted to read about.
And the mass of this new content is memes and low effort. There is no miracle. It worked at first because of the people who joined initially, we left reddit for a reason. But some people are already feeling the crowd effect and the fediverse hasn’t reached his maximum intensity yet, far from it. So expect the default fediverse federation to get worse and worse, because spammers want a public.
I see no other direction for the people who want quality content to create their own federation. Sure you can put some limiters here and there but the fundamental problem will remain. No one ever said that everyone should federate with everyone.
I think we should give it time and see how things go, but there will probably be a lot of changes on the federation thing.
I don’t think your answer addresses what the OP is talking about at all and it’s getting kinda scary that the immediate answer to every small issue people have on the Fediverse seems to be defederation. People do love their echo chambers apparently.
I did address the point. My conclusion is it cannot be done reliably by an automated system and that we have the choice of blocking manually or defederating.
What I want, and I think that’s what the OP is talking about, is simply to have a way to slow down the posts from the more active communities - kinda like how Reddit didn’t show you all of the content of a very active sub when you were on your main feed, but only the hottest threads, and you’d get a mix of threads from very big active subreddits and smaller more inactive subreddits. I love the LOTR meme communities, for example, but I don’t want to see all of their posts on my main feed, since it drowns out discussions from other smaller communities. All we need for that is a limit to the amount of threads you can be shown from every community on your main feed.
Then I already mentioned why it cannot work reliably: “how would you make the difference between useful posts and spam from the same mag? You can’t, it’s just too much content to sort out.”
So you want the insightful posts being hidden from a mag because someone else in the same mag spammed memes? Because that’s what you will get. Sorry but I don’t want that. I want to be out of this meme bubble. We are slowly encountering the same problem than reddit had.
I dislike the idea of “federations devoted to a topic”
Nope, I did not say “devoted to a topic”. I said “In the end it will come to a federation made of instances with the same moderation policy.”
I said “moderation policy”, I didn’t say “topic”. I said that hobbyists would start the process, but they will probably federate with other hobbyists from other domain as long as they share the same moderation policy.
/all will soon become unusable anyway. It was great at the beginning, but the more people join and the more it will become unusable. You didn’t really think that all instances would always be federated, right?
It’s not just memes but also unrelated content to the magazine. There are spammers out there, hunting for quantity.
The short answer is probably: you can’t. You say you don’t want to block the mag, but how would you make the difference between useful posts and spam from the same mag? You can’t, it’s just too much content to sort out.
The only reason why we did not defederate was a lack of content. Once kbin.social is filled with enough users federation won’t be necessary anymore and it will be seen as a way to introduce cheap content to prime newborn instances.
Can you tell the difference between lemmy.ml, beesomething and lemmyworld or the cohort of attempts at lemmysomehing? No. There isn’t much difference. The idea was that instances would specialize into a theme but it did not happen. People want the mass. They want to be where the buzz happens.
Yes, in theory you can use any instance as a point of entry but in reality people want to join the biggest party. So the only difference between instances is mostly moderation. And somehow the initial link that people saw in their original community to find their new instance. Like many of us did with /r/redditmigration
This is all about sane default settings. If your instance allows everything and let you chose what you don’t want to see then you are trapped into a whack-a-mole game against a million moles. You will lose your mind blocking stuff constantly.
Either
People won’t have the patience to block the meme spammers. In short: the blacklist system we are using no cannot handle the increasing load of meh content, we have to use the whitelist method.
In the end it will come to a federation made of instances with the same moderation policy. It will work because this policy will enforce the best content possible and will attract the people looking for quality content. So the people complaining about “defederation being a fascist practice” will stay on the old global federation, nothing will be forced upon them, while other people looking for quality will silently leave for instances with better federation standards. The most motivated people will bootstrap the concept, probably people passionate with hardware or another hobby.
Lemmy.world won’t be on their federation list. Too bad for them but it’s their fault for creating an account on a spammy instance.
This state where everyone federates with everyone (except criminals) comes to an end. We will have many different federations, not a single one.
Upvoting your own material is a Michael Scott thing to do.
If you are subscribed to the same mag 3 times, well it’s on you. You want volume you have it.
What is possible is to filter through a script and only show the local one.
Oracle is this priest who will try to convert you to christianity when you are in a hospital on your deathbed.
Oracle has been part of the Linux community for 25 years. Our goal has remained the same over all those years: help make Linux the best server operating system for everyone, freely available to all, with high-quality, low-cost support provided to those who need it.
Fuck you
We want to emphasize to Linux developers, Linux customers, and Linux distributors that Oracle is committed to Linux freedom. Oracle makes the following promise: as long as Oracle distributes Linux, Oracle will make the binaries and source code for that distribution publicly and freely available. Furthermore, Oracle welcomes downstream distributions of every kind, community and commercial. We are happy to work with distributors to ease that process, work together on the content of Oracle Linux, and ensure Oracle software products are certified on your distribution.
Oracle is one of the biggest personal data broker out there. Fuck you
By the way, if you are a Linux developer who disagrees with IBM’s actions and you believe in Linux freedom the way we do, we are hiring.
The russian army is hiring too.
Finally, to IBM, here’s a big idea for you. You say that you don’t want to pay all those RHEL developers? Here’s how you can save money: just pull from us. Become a downstream distributor of Oracle Linux. We will happily take on the burden.
Devour each others please. Thank you and fuck you.
“Wait and see” how much money Facebook is ready to put on the table?
Meta cannot harm you by federating. If they want your data that you posted on kbin then they already have it. They run curl and they can swallow all your posts and metadata associated. Whatever you post is given for free to everyone with an internet connection.
Also Meta probably will never federate since it involves a huge risk that they will end up hosting illegal data against their will.
edit: also think in legal terms, meta will never publish content on their site if a federated server hasn’t signed a mountain of legal documents beforehand. It’s simply not happening. I’m only speaking on a user level. If our admin adopts a pro-facebook stance then of course it’s a different story.
edit: The more I read about this the more doubt I have about this story. It seems that kbin still hasn’t signed the fedipact? It’s becoming a big deal and it will affect kbin even if we adopt a neutral stance. There is in fact no more neutral stance. We should sign.
The reason why there is only a mobile version is so it can syphon data easier. Do not install this thing on your phone! Your curiosity is costing you a lot.
Yeah, I’m aware it’s from Meta so automatically it’s going to be hated by people from Fediverse… But I think it’s not fair to judge something until we try it directly
The purpose of this app is to dig into your private life, don’t put it on a “fair” scale.
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