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  • The former group isn’t negatively impacted by patsocs because the former group aren’t fucking stupid, and the latter group will never engage with you or anyone seriously no matter what you do

    This is good to keep in mind, but I think you can still say Patsoc types hurt the cause. The problem is most people who are exposed to their stuff don’t engage with anyone about it, so there’s no opportunity to have the sort of discussion you describe (where you can reach the reachable, and the unreachable respond predictably).

    A bunch of reachable people get turned off by this/get misinformed about socialism by it, and then we never hear from them (and get to explain what this shit is and why it’s bad) because they don’t talk to anyone about it the way most people don’t talk to anyone about stuff they read online.








  • MarxMadness@lemmygrad.mltoAntiwork@lemmy.mlAn economic lesson...
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    The response here to “people must be financially illiterate if they can’t live without income for months!” is no, they aren’t illiterate, they live in an economy designed to keep a ton of people in precarity.

    Everyone understands it’s nice to have some money set aside for rainy days. It’s such a simple lesson that calling it “financial literacy” is almost condescending. The problem isn’t that people haven’t heard of saving, it’s that decent-paying jobs aren’t common, basic costs like housing and healthcare are rising rapidly, and even if you do everything right there are a thousand ways to get a fat bill dropped on your lap that takes you back to square one.


  • It’s even worse than that – there hasn’t been a genuinely open Democratic Primary since 2008.

    • 2012: Obama is a popular incumbent, that’s the only one they get a pass for
    • 2016: The obvious plan was for Hillary to be coronated, the only serious challenger wasn’t even from the Democratic Party, there was the ratfucking with the superdelegates, Dems argued in court that they had no obligation to run a fair primary, etc.
    • 2020: Ratfuck Pt. II with the coordinated dropout/endorsement of Biden
    • 2024: No one challenges an obviously senile and unpopular president, then the party forces him out and subs in someone who didn’t even get any primary votes in 2020


  • The second step was the law the country passed at the beginning of May—the one that The Publica makes sound like a horrifying, dystopian mess. In fact, the measure had the support of the Belgian sex workers union…

    But the law also explicitly protects the right to refuse specific customers, sex acts, etc.

    It stipulates that “every sex worker has the right to refuse a client,” that “every sex worker has the right to refuse a sexual act,” and that “every sex worker has the right to interrupt a sexual act at any time.” It also says that “any sex worker has the right to perform a sexual act in the manner they wish” and that “if there are dangers to the sex worker’s safety, the sex worker may refuse to sit behind a window or advertise.”…

    “If a sex worker exercises the right to refuse more than ten times in a six-month period, the sex worker or the employer may seek the intervention of a governmental mediation service,” according to UTSOPI. “That service will assess if there is anything wrong with the working conditions, if there is a problem in the employer-employee relationship. The service can also offer professional reorientation possibilities.”

    I don’t trust Reason’s reporting on this very much, and the article is full of libertarian junk. I’m curious as to why the sex workers’ union supported this, though. Maybe they think the protections it includes are sufficient. Like 100 other things, it’ll come down to how it’s enforced.





  • I didn’t say the cops handled this well. I said they can be criticized here and we should check their story.

    My disagreement with you is solely limited to whether this is good agitprop.

    I brought up how pretrial detention is used everywhere, including in AES states, because when we use stories like this to say things like “its not justification for keeping her in jail without trial nor hearing,” we show our ass a bit. Lots of persuadable people out there would point out that there’s a reason some people are held before trial; it’s not some unique horror of the U.S. criminal legal system. We make the exact same argument when libs push “China bad because they exercise authority” articles.


  • This is you saying that they didn’t do such a bad job here

    I’ve said a number of times that criticizing the cops is fair here, and that we should check their story. I’m saying this isn’t a great one to spread as agitprop because people who are not as hostile to cops as us won’t dismiss these facts the way we do.

    but your response was just:

    There it is

    On a forum with multiple Jeffrey Epstein emojis, a “yeah that 13 year old really seemed like an adult” comment was inevitable. I wasn’t really sure what you were getting at or if you were just making an oblique joke.

    As for why the cops didn’t think “this person isn’t really 18” or why they didn’t look through photos of missing people: again, criticizing the cops is fair here, and that we should check their story. I don’t know how to say that more clearly.


  • I didn’t say the cops handled this well. I said they can be criticized here and we should check their story.

    “one big reason people give fake names upon arrest is that they know they are wanted for more serious crimes.” I don’t even know how that follows from or applies to this story?

    And even if everything she told them was true its not justification for keeping her in jail without trial nor hearing.

    Every country, including AES states, detains people before initial hearings in certain circumstances. One factor in deciding if they should be held in custody or out on bail is “do we even know who this person is?” You don’t want a situation where you arrest someone wanted for a serious crime, they lie about their identity, and you let them go – this is something we clown on cops for fucking up!

    I’m not saying this girl was wanted for a serious crime. I’m saying if you were to share this as agitprop without reading the article, a lot of people you’re trying to agitate will come back with observations like this, because “cops let serious criminal slip through their fingers due to laziness” is basically a cliché in popular crime stories.