Plato’s • Philosopher Kings

I’ve tried to explain it to others but like you they swore at me, took my arguments out of context or proportion or used propaganda to negate my point.

Even amongst socialists you will find little proponents for Philosopher Kings.

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Thanks to this eloquent statement you fulfill the definition of Tankie and I’ll be blocking you, any other tankies please block me too.

I’m talking about reform of the definition or the method to reach socialism. Like the difference of methods between Rosa Luxemburg, Lenin, Mao, Eduard Bernstein.

I am, currently the quotations of Mao, and to be honest it sounded great until he explained that his definition of democracy was not mine or most people’s in current day.

As a dutch citizen with a parliamentary voting system (not FPTP barbarism) it seems to me deeply egotistical and frightening to read his definition:

1. The fact that the proletariat revolution prevailed means that the following state body is inherently democratic: this ignores that you need a small minority of well armed people for a revolution compared to a majority vote
2. That using Marx’s democratic centrism as democracy ignoring the obvious corruptible methods defended by his other notes: of unity through punishment for those against him.

Copyparty is not that known I guess.

Next you’ll tell me Robert Owen is not a socialist, or that reform can not happen with socialism.

healthier

I love baking biscuits but is a good gateway to moving to baking bread… and space cake.

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Counter: Bars should have taxes lifted on the first round of beverages purchased in bars. And increased taxes for alcohol purchased in shops. And maximum music dB enforced.

In the current time of AI, music by bands should be required.

Social drinking should be promoted to counter loneliness.

Ugg it’s obvious that conversation on this platform has no merit when people can downvote you without reason and total anonymity. It creates the perfect environment for theories of a meddling of 50c army or similar, with no meaningful inclusion.

Mods are doing too little against this cult like behaviour.

Nice try Peter Thiel you ain’t getting my birth year that easily.

I personally have found it to be dangerous to talk about socialism without knowing if the person is a staunch ML or can converse about their critics.

Like wise if the ownership of the socialism definition and revisionism like Democratic Socialism, Anarchic Socialism is associated or excluded.

Stepping into socialist theory it seemed like Manifesto of the Communist Party was the one and only way, joining lemmy.ml seemed to reaffirm that but then one listens to Socialists from a different media thier ideas are far less strict. I’m assuming they’ve read other books and pamphlets by other people.

No no I’m talking about real unions like the German Auto Industry union Industriegewerkschaft Metall

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IG_Metall

*.ml users will be mad about the impovements made thanks to unions instead of the failed GDR “revolution”

• Five-day work week (1959)
• Paid vacation time concessions (1962)
• 40 hr work week (1965–1967)
• Paid sick leave (1956)
• 35-hour work week in the metal industry (1995)

Trump, this is how you do tariffs properly.

1. You create an economic block that already know how to produce the product
2. you cut out outside competition of said product
3. worker unions happy, company ceo’s happy

2008 nuff said

Classic Stazi - yes any form of criticism of Marx’s socialism must be stamped out and silenced

Thanks yes this seems to be a mistake, reading more into history I’ve even found that the push for better working conditions has come from elected social democrats and political union parties (1906 in the Netherlands) long before the Russian revolution.

Sorry I should have used effectively, being ideological about democratic centralism is nice until you find yourself organising a workers demonstration against one.

Every single piece of information Marx Lenin Mao Stalin points to: the replacement of power of any method a worker has, in a capitalist democracy and migrate it after the revolution to a state held apparatus above which the flawed democratic-centralism takes grasp to hold absolute power. At which point strengthening a secret police is all that’s needed to let fascism in from the back door. At least Mussolini stated his intentions from the beginning.

The whole mass of the people must take part in it. Otherwise, socialism will be decreed from behind a few official desks by a dozen intellectuals.

— Rosa Luxemburg

https://www.marxists.org/archive/luxemburg/1918/russian-revolution/ch06.htm

Classic Marxist Leninist.

workers ownership of the means of production

Great lets try that out; how much ownership do you think a worker has over the means of production, without the ability to choose a union not pre-appointed by the state?

Communism (not DemSoc) is an economic system where a government essentially owns the population ruled by an autocrat, under the veil of a single union. The ML way of democratic centralism completely fails when the opposition is blocked from voting which assures total enforced hegemony.

Independent unions are illegal in China with only the All-China Federation of Trade Unions(ACFTU) permitted by the Chinese state and the Chinese Communist Party to operate.

This doesn’t sound like a good idea.