Ceres [she/her]

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  • I think I just couldn’t tell if you were suggesting ‘buying or not buying harmful products doesn’t make a difference’ to mean supporting carnist stuff is fine, cause it felt like an odd inclusion but I getcha now.

    But yeah I was, in response, arguing the importance of still considering consumption habits in your veganism, which comes from my mechanistic worldview thinking that everything has an affect on something, so what should instead be the limiting factor for these decisions is stuff like privilege (instead of util priorities), which ends up at the same stance as you (I think). Anxiety over my political alienation making me min-max my veganism lol.


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    I mostly agree but think its strange to dismiss the individual part of it. Although a social movement is the goal being worked towards, I feel its a bit harmful to state the goal as ‘global vegan movement’ instead of ‘stop exploiting animals’ because that difference provides wiggle room to do harmful things if you don’t expect it to affect the odds of the movement succeeding, which gets yourself thinking in unhelpful utilitarian terms. Easier to get intersectional-understanding benefits of connecting veganism to other issues, and be a better voice for that movement, when you’re an abolitionist vegan who doesn’t care if what you’re doing might not be worthwhile according to an arbitrary metric.

    The movement is of course the vitally necessary action to end the industry, but I’m also sick of carnist leftist friends excusing individual carnist actions because of it ‘not really changing things’, which I think is driving my thoughts here.




  • I still don’t know how to approach veganism when talking to most strangers, because theyll first bring up how theyre proudly buying free range eggs and I shut that down, then talk about how the impossible burgers they bought are pretty good, then i explain PBC, then they frame it as just whether they’re directly buying anything non vegan like you said, and at this point ive just told them theyre wrong ten times in a row and nothing is more effective at convincing them that veganism is utterly impossible (for the average westerner with money of course) ahhh