• Carrolade@lemmy.world
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    Well, actually usually trolls do it for fun. The whole argue with the libs thing, you know. It ends up being whatever any given troll finds enjoyable, so the approach varies from person to person. It’s less serious espionage and more goofing off though.

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          And how do I fit the bill of a troll?

          Just because I don’t agree with you, and I argue my point, doesn’t mean I’m a troll. Again, check my profile, the lemmy communities I have created and that I mod.

          If I were right-wing, I would have no problem saying it. I’m Independent. I know that annoys you, because you seem to really really want a narrative so that you can argue, but it’s not that deep.

          I’m voting Green Party this election. I have listed why I am doing that. I have even started and I maintain/mod a Green Party community here on Lemmy.

          If that’s not enough to make you think I like the Green Party, then I really don’t know what to tell you. lmao

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            It’s more of a tone thing. Like I said, trolling is highly individualistic, there’s no single manual for it. It’s always some mix of a person’s real personality with some fake aspects sort of tacked on in an ad hoc fashion. Usually one or two specific positions will be taken, just to get a rise out of people. Then there’s a handful of pretty standard rhetorical tricks the person can pull just to keep the conversations going. A troll can certainly make communities, there is no reason not to do that. All it has to be is entertaining, or at least easy I guess.

            Like I said, you can vote for whoever you want. All I wanted to do was answer your request for evidence of Stein working with Russia, the rest is entirely your decision. I’ve supported the Greens myself in the past, it would be very hypocritical of me to tell you not to. You deserve to be well-informed though.

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              It’s more of a tone thing.

              And again, you’re incorrect. I have stated that I am not a troll. I have given you several examples of why I am not a troll. If you refuse to believe, then that is on you.

              Like I said, trolling is highly individualistic, there’s no single manual for it.

              You seem to know a lot about trolling. I would suggest you get a different hobby to fill that void in your life. But it is your right to sit around and think that everyone who disagrees with you is a troll. Not my idea of a fun day, but hey, you do you.

              A troll can certainly make communities

              I’m sure they can. But since I’m not a troll, doesn’t really have anything to do with me.

              Like I said, you can vote for whoever you want.

              I agree. And I AM voting for who I want. Jill Stein of the Green Party.

              All I wanted to do was answer your request for evidence of Stein working with Russia

              And you did not provide that evidence. Russians tried to divert left leaning voters away from Clinton by boosting Stein’s candidacy. There is zero evidence there that Stein was contacted by Russia or even aware of the way in which her campaign was being hijacked.

              I’ve supported the Greens myself in the past, it would be very hypocritical of me to tell you not to.

              Then why on Earth are you giving me such a hard time for voting Green?! Are you just being contrarian or do you not understand that I am voting for who I want to vote for?

              It’s not some grand conspiracy. lol I like Jill Stein, I donated to the Green Party, and I am supporting them this election. They align with my values. That’s it.

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                I do know a lot about trolling, we all have our pasts. There’s a lot of us older farts on this platform. Having been around online for this long, I learned long ago not to simply believe what things seem to be, which is just generally good advice really. Books and covers and all that.

                I most definitely did, providing photographic evidence of Stein being in contact with not just any Russian, but the leader himself.

                I’m not giving you a hard time at all. I’m just making sure that you are indeed fully aware that Jill Stein has been in contact with high ranking members of the Russian Federation, despite the Russian Federation being an aggressive, warfighting nation that fuels its death with hydrocarbon exports. Knowing that, you are free to support her if you wish.

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                  I do know a lot about trolling, we all have our pasts. There’s a lot of us older farts on this platform

                  And your past may be adding a bias to your current interactions with me. I’m 55 years old. I am familiar with being older.

                  I most definitely did, providing photographic evidence of Stein being in contact with not just any Russian, but the leader himself.

                  And Jill Stein addressed that. In a newsweek article about it. A campaign spokesperson told Newsweek that Stein “attended at her own expense to spread a message of peace and diplomacy” and gave a speech in Moscow “in which she criticized the excessive militarism of both Vladimir Putin and U.S. leaders.”

                  They added: “The Senate Intelligence Committee later investigated the trip and found no wrongdoing whatsoever. Dr. Stein’s commitment to diplomacy is more needed than ever and stands in stark contrast to the two warmongering ruling parties, which are driving us toward WWIII [World War III] and draining resources urgently needed here at home.”

                  https://www.newsweek.com/jill-stein-ties-vladimir-putin-explained-1842620

                  you are free to support her if you wish.

                  Yes, I am. And I do.

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                    Eh, I don’t think you’re 55. Things are very easy to say on the internet, you see.

                    Like I said, I understand that her campaign released a statement, you are of course welcome to believe them 100% if you wish. I would fully expect any die-hard fan to do so unquestioningly, after all.

                    And yes, I’m sure she’s no Russian spy. The issue is, again, alliance. This is not illegal, merely unethical. People can like and work with Putin’s regime if they wish, or at least could before all the sanctions landed. It simply represents them very poorly when the person they choose to work with is responsible for so much climate change and bloodshed.

                    Also, you neglected the next paragraph:

                    The event featuring Stein and Putin was a December 2015 gala in Moscow in celebration of the Russian state television channel RT’s tenth anniversary. The channel has been banned in several countries for spreading Russian propaganda since the invasion of Ukraine in February 2022.