Vance is one of Trump’s most vocal supporters and an outspoken critic of U.S. aid to Ukraine.

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Vance has said that it would be “completely irresponsible” for Ukraine to join NATO. He has also argued for the U.S. to focus solely on preventing Chinese expansion, even if that means sacrificing sovereign Ukrainian lands to Russia.

“Any peace settlement is going to require some significant territorial concessions from Ukraine, and you’re gonna have a peace deal, because that’s the only way out of the conflict,” Vance said in February.

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      • StaySquared@lemmy.world
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        4 months ago

        Can you expand on that? Seems conflicting.

        A policy of no war, no foreign aid and especially focusing on America and everything in it… how did that lead to world wars?

        • Rowan Thorpe@lemmy.ml
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          I’ll answer the “why would it now lead to disaster” part, and by shuffling names, places, & contexts around I believe much of that can be obliquely backported to the same question with respect to runup to the world wars of yore.

          USA’s multi-decade cultural imperialism and dogged pursuit of economic hegemony led to it imposing itself as a global barometer and gatekeeper (despite being famously incompetent at both). The upshot is that now, even though philosophically it would be wonderful for the US to finally stop enforcing a petrodollar-driven serfdom on so much of the world in the name of “infinite (US economic) expansion”, pragmatically speaking a magical and abrupt “pull out” would be wildly irresponsible, much like yanking an arrow out of a wound in the direction from which it entered (causing a Jackson Pollock’s worth of collateral damage). That would largely be because the sudden power vacuum would not be able to be filled in time by other countries (who are under-resourced due to aforementioned hegemonic squeezing), leaving not enough people to “not tolerate the intolerant”, leading to explosive expansion of the “ignorant bullies masquerading as politicians” brigade (not unlike Hitler’s opportunistic power-grab while the politicians who should have been the ballwark against him hubristically sat on their hands). See: https://www.ournationalconversation.org/post/explaining-the-paradox-of-tolerance

          • StaySquared@lemmy.world
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            Well, the U.S. doesn’t have to worry about enforcing the petro-dollar, because the Global South is pulling away from the petro-dollar. The U.S. is going to have to start looking into opening up those oil reserves that Biden closed and bringing jobs back to America that were exported to other nations. Self sufficiency, at least more so than current, needs to be the goal. The world, outside of the Western World, is turning its back on the U.S. and rightfully so… sooner or later so too will the Western Powers turn their backs on the U.S.

            I agree though that an abrupt pullout like Biden did in Afghanistan is a stupid fkin idea and should be done gracefully.

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              Manufacturing jobs, and most other low wage jobs, never left the US. That is a lie fed to you by your wage slave masters. The US currently manufactures 300% more products than we did in 1972 which was the last year of the golden age of the 20th century US. The wage slave masters automated those jobs, so we do triple the production with 1/100 the workforce.

              We are already self sufficient. Isolationism will not help any of your stated goals, and will cause global instability.

              • StaySquared@lemmy.world
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                So I work in the IT industry… almost everything IT related, some portion of it has been exported overseas. Same goes for the customer service industry.

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      He still wants to send all the aid Israel will not ever want to commit genocide.

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        Unfortunately the U.S. belongs to Israel.

        And fkin lol @ people downvoting:

        No more war.

        No more foreign aid.

        We need to focus on Americans and America.

        Holy moly, some of yall are insufferable.

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          If you think US can sustain itself without foreign products, you’re high on your own farts. Open a window to the basement, get some fresh air.

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                You jumped to the conclusion that I’m asking for some kind of self imposed trade embargo. You’re pretending to, “think one little step ahead”… you fkin with a game of checkers, I’m on 4D Chess. GTFO. lmao

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                  Yeah. I can see you’re not the sharpest hoe in the shed.

                  Playing 4D chess… As the pigeon.

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      Vance doesn’t want that, he just wants out of this particular conflict so he can start shit somewhere else.