Trump has waffled on whether the Israel-Gaza war should end. But speaking to wealthy donors behind closed doors, he said that he supports Israel’s right to continue “its war on terror.”

Former president Donald Trump promised to crush pro-Palestinian protests on college campuses, telling a roomful of donors — a group that he joked included “98 percent of my Jewish friends” — that he would expel student demonstrators from the United States, according to participants in the roundtable event with him in New York.

  • Krono@lemmy.today
    2840·
    6 months ago

    I’m right here, this article does nothing to change my mind about how Joe Biden is aiding and abetting an ongoing genocide.

    Yes, Trump will almost certainly be worse. That doesn’t change the fact that our current president’s support for genocide is deplorable, it hurts his electoral chances, and it damages the US standing in the world.

    Burying Palestinian families alive under the rubble of their former homes is not a good use of my tax dollars. Joe Biden needs to stop.

    • RedditWanderer@lemmy.world
      477·
      6 months ago

      Genocide is a US problem not specific to any president.

      You can say “Joe Biden is helping/supporting Israel in its genocide on Palestinians”. Calling him “genocide joe” is repeating GOP bs. They say it like that to keep the critical thinking to a minimum.

      • Krono@lemmy.today
        822·
        6 months ago

        Yes we agree that other modern presidents have been genocidal as well.

        Using that fact as an excuse for the current genocide is not some realpolitik, “adults in the room” level of thinking. It is moral depravity and the banality of evil.

        • RedditWanderer@lemmy.world
          265·
          6 months ago

          Who is using it as excuse for the current genocide? Where does it say “genocide is ok”? “Adult in the room” my ass.

          When comparing 2 candidates, genocide doesn’t matter because they will both do it, you substract that from both side of the equation in US politics. Once a president is in office then you can protest decision, this is about comparing candidates.

          Using the GOP propaganda of “genocide joe” like it’s his personal hobby just feeds the trolls. The article is about Trump, and the guy at the top of this thread is asking where the “genocide joe” trumpers are given Trump admits the same. Anyone answering “i’m here”, but saying “AKshUaLlY i’m not a trumper but biden is commiting genocide” is just pedantic and missing the point of this discussion

          • cmbabul@lemmy.world
            51·
            6 months ago

            It’s always one of the folks from one of the newer instances/communities I see making these arguments, usually it’s sh.itjust.works or kbin but I saw quite a few from .today this weekend. Seems like the older instances that were either up or started because of the migration from reddit are less filled with trolls and bad faith in my experience

          • Krono@lemmy.today
            410·
            6 months ago

            Who is using it as excuse for the current genocide?

            You did, when you said “Genocide is a US problem not specific to any president.”

            When comparing 2 candidates, genocide doesn’t matter because they will both do it

            This “lesser of two evils” logic only holds up when deciding who to vote for. The Biden administration does not get to aid a genocide criticism-free just because Trump would be worse.

            Once a president is in office then you can protest decision

            A president is in office now, aiding a genocide now, so I’m protesting now. If the US is still supporting genocide after the election I will protest then, too.

            i’m not a trumper but biden is commiting genocide" is just pedantic and missing the point

            I saw a shocking amount of upvoted genocide denial in the comments, so I felt the need to respond, even if its unpopular.

            • RedditWanderer@lemmy.world
              43·
              6 months ago

              Haha you’re not protesting, youre whining on the internet. Not one protest in the US besides the students protesting their school, not biden.

              • HuntressHimbo@lemm.ee
                22·
                6 months ago

                I assume the rest of your life based on like ten internet posts you’ve made. I’m a genius please pat me on the back’

          • TokenBoomer@lemmy.world
            324·
            6 months ago

            But while many media outlets were quick to report on the case not moving forward, they largely missed a key aspect of the ruling: the judge did not dismiss the case on its merits but rather because it fell ​“outside the court’s limited jurisdiction,” source

            In fact, U.S. District Court Judge Jeffrey White’s statement appeared to uphold some of plaintiff’s key charges in the case:

            The judge went further, urging Biden and his administration officials to scrutinize ​“the results of their unflagging support” for the Israeli government’s assault on Gaza.

            Until he changes his stance, he’s “genocide Joe.”

            • RedditWanderer@lemmy.world
              174·
              6 months ago

              So by that definition there’s also genocide Trump, and genocide US government, and genocide US soldiers, and genocide US citizens, and genocide judges, and… It becomes irrelevant to call him “genocide joe”, it has little to do with him. See we call Dwayne “the rock” Johnson because he’s the only wrestler known by that name, it’s unique to him. I think you need to lookup what Nicknames are for, aside from GOP propaganda.

              • TokenBoomer@lemmy.world
                415·
                6 months ago

                I agree. All individuals and institutions you listed could be culpable, but no suits, internationally, nor domestically have been filed. Except for the CCR case against Biden, Blinken, and Austin.

                I looked into the origin of the “genocide Joe” meme. The earliest entry is from October 18, 2023. As far as I can tell it was started by pro-Palestine leftists like Aaron Mate, Hasan, and Alan Macleod. It did not originate from conservative media.

                • RedditWanderer@lemmy.world
                  94·
                  6 months ago

                  Youre a trumper. Let’s not pretend lawsuits mean anything at all to you. Nevermind lawsuits that haven’t started.

                  The origin is irrelevant to who is perpetuating it, or why. “Sleepy Joe”, “Genocide Joe”, “Orange man bad” are all designed to remove any critical thinking or nuance. It was the same for “Crooked Hillary”.

                  Now if you’re so good at fetching historical data, let’s find which political party has it as a primary strategy to make up silly names and gaslight their opponent with them… i’ll wait.

                  • TokenBoomer@lemmy.world
                    412·
                    6 months ago

                    This prolix exposition does nothing to keep Trump from being reelected. More likely, it serves to depress voter motivation. You need to give people a reason to vote for Biden, not against Trump. Best of luck.

    • YeetPics@mander.xyz
      143·
      6 months ago

      this article does nothing to change my mind

      Nobody claimed you could read…

    • SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca
      1812·
      6 months ago

      Nice little performance! But your act isn’t all that convincing really.

      Joe Biden cares more about Palestinians than you do. He’s doing things to help while you’re projecting faux outrage.

        • Railing5132@lemmy.world
          156·
          6 months ago

          Well, he used words to get the Saudis to allow aid to resume flowing. What have you done besides bitch behind a keyboard?

          • TokenBoomer@lemmy.world
            617·
            6 months ago

            Well, I’m not president. And I can’t find any info on Biden getting the Saudis to allow aid. Can you point to a policy?

            Edit: It was Egypt. That certainly will help. Why you bitching about my bitching? We bitching together. We bitches.

            • RedditWanderer@lemmy.world
              154·
              6 months ago

              Youre bitching about a genocidal president, and he’s bitching about a genocidal, openly corrupt traitor, above the law wanna be dictator who needs to change the law to keep existing as a political figure.

              You are not the same.

              • TokenBoomer@lemmy.world
                515·
                6 months ago

                As long as we’re clear that I’m bitching about the genocide. I’m good. 🙂 Maybe, if more people would bitch about Biden enabling a genocide, instead of defending his actions, we wouldn’t have to bitch about Trump being president.

                • RedditWanderer@lemmy.world
                  33·
                  6 months ago

                  How does that make sense? Trump will openly do the same. The genocide is not why people are voting for Trump. And people are bitching about Biden, so much the police has to beat people into silence.

                  Youre pretending to just be asking questions and being angry at Biden, but we see your comment history. It’s pretty clear what youre selling

                  • TokenBoomer@lemmy.world
                    38·
                    6 months ago

                    Then you should be buying, so I can get rich, and outspend AIPAC and CUFI to lobby Biden to change course on Palestine, so he can get reelected. It’s almost 🤔 like you want Trump to win.