Just putting this up to contrast with this post and because Eli Valley is a great political cartoonist.

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    Running Biden enables a trump victory.

    I’m not the one doing that, the democrats are.

    Having a standard that is above genocide isnt an indicator of moral superiority.

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      6 months ago

      Running Biden enables a trump victory.

      Votes enable or disable a victory. Everything else is abstraction.

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          Which, you know, is effectively impossible. So it’s a throwaway vote. And you’ll counter that you’re in a red state anyways so Biden vote would be a throwaway too.

          But then what you’re actually doing here and elsewhere is pushing the agenda for others to actively not vote for Biden; which, in other places, is absolutely not consistent with voting against Trump.

          You are privileged enough to not have to care whether Bad or Worse gets elected. Must be nice.

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            It’s possible if you vote for them.

            My state might be a battleground tbh, idk. It doesn’t enter into my decision making.

            I am literally out here trying to normalize not voting for Biden. They’re running the worst born loser trash candidate ever and he had an active hand in destroying this country over the last fifty years, is pissing away tax dollars on two foreign wars, one of which is a genocide and is speaking out in favor of people cracking protestor skulls.

            Join me, walk away from omelas. Lend your voice to the chorus that the democrat strategists hear at night before their fitful sleep. Reject their awful candidate and demand better.

            Don’t hope for something better, demand it.

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              It’s way too late to genuinely campaign for that result. You know that.

              The next thing that happens from here is that either Biden or Trump get elected. There is only one way to meaningfully vote against Trump. Anything else signals either plain ignorance, or a disregard for those those who would be affected more negatively by Worse than they would by Bad

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                Wow maybe you should join me in loudly and clearly telling people that you won’t vote for Biden so they run someone electable on the ticket?

                If you need my vote to win then you can either join me or lose.

                If you don’t need my vote to win then what do you care?

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                  so they run someone electable on the ticket

                  The primary already happened. We’re past that now.

                  If you don’t need my vote to win then what do you care?

                  What do I care about what, specifically? Your individual vote? Not much.

                  Your campaign to pull voters away from the one scenario that keeps Worse from beating Bad? Because its ignorant at best and malicious at worst.

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                    We’re not past that. He could step down, the convention could choose someone else. You personally could just say “actually, I’m a human being with a heart that pumps blood that bleeds and I will not support this piece of trash” along with me.

                    It is never too late to stand up against genocide and the fascist police state.

                    The democrats already lost those voters anyway. Anyone who thinks Biden is a piece of shit but doesn’t want trump will just stay home. If anything you ought to hope that the democrats realize that Biden doesn’t have a path to victory and they run someone else. Then there’s a chance of getting all those people who voted him in during 2020 back onboard.

                    The third clinton campaign ought to have made it clear to you that you can’t scold people to the polls, don’t repeat the mistakes of the past.