Teach democratic leadership that the progressive vote is fairweather at best and that efforts are better spent courting centrist independents who actually show up and vote without having to be beaten over the head with a rhetorical crowbar to convince them to do literally the bare minimum civic duty.
As opposed to the loyal centrist vote that checks notes formed a fucking PAC to elect John McCain the last time the party didn’t give them everything they wanted.
The point is that they don’t have to be convinced to show up at all, just that they have to be convinced to vote for you specifically.
Some folks in this discussion think that not even being that reliable is some sort of virtue that sends a positive message about their attractiveness as a campaignable demographic.
Where are you getting this information that centrists have higher voter turnout than leftists?
Centrists/swing-voters are definitely not reliable voters for Dems and I don’t know that it’s true that they have high voter turnout overall, yet they are still the focus of Dem campaigns.
Dems think they don’t have to appeal to leftist voters because they think of them as a reliable base. The unreliability of centrists is what makes them a target for campaigning.
Dems don’t try appealing to the left because the left is anything but a fucking base. If the left spent half the energy on primary turnout alone that they do on bitching and moaning on the internet Bernie would have won both primaries handily and the generals by landslide margins.
Bernie did extremely well in the primaries, definitely got votes beyond just the hardcore left population. Idk it just seems like the things you’re saying aren’t rooted in facts.
He did but he lost because both times the youth vote failed to turn out at a rate equal to their share of the population. Nevermind the easy overrepresenting share they could take in the party primary process given the fact that boomers break right much more than Millenials and Zoomers.
It wasn’t DNC meddling that defeated Bernie Sanders, it was the entitlement of the white left to everyone else doing the revolution for them and then putting them in charge of it afterwards.
Now you’re just conflating young people with leftists? And there are structural reasons young people don’t vote as much, in the US people don’t get time off for voting. That impacts young people of any political leaning. And white people vote at way higher rates than other races? Probably due to the structural barriers to voting?
Where are you getting these talking points for real
it’s almost as if I am not trying to win clever points lmao
hey! you can take your disingenuous ass out of this conversation though because if you can’t think of an option other than voting Biden, trump, or not at all, then you’re either lying or you’re so uneducated that you wouldn’t be able to understand the conversation anyway
Show the Democrats that they don’t earn the left vote automatically, they have to earn it.
FTFY
As opposed to the loyal centrist vote that checks notes formed a fucking PAC to elect John McCain the last time the party didn’t give them everything they wanted.
Um the Centrist Vote has already been historically fairweather lmao that’s like the definition of them
The point is that they don’t have to be convinced to show up at all, just that they have to be convinced to vote for you specifically.
Some folks in this discussion think that not even being that reliable is some sort of virtue that sends a positive message about their attractiveness as a campaignable demographic.
Where are you getting this information that centrists have higher voter turnout than leftists?
Centrists/swing-voters are definitely not reliable voters for Dems and I don’t know that it’s true that they have high voter turnout overall, yet they are still the focus of Dem campaigns.
Dems think they don’t have to appeal to leftist voters because they think of them as a reliable base. The unreliability of centrists is what makes them a target for campaigning.
Dems don’t try appealing to the left because the left is anything but a fucking base. If the left spent half the energy on primary turnout alone that they do on bitching and moaning on the internet Bernie would have won both primaries handily and the generals by landslide margins.
Bernie did extremely well in the primaries, definitely got votes beyond just the hardcore left population. Idk it just seems like the things you’re saying aren’t rooted in facts.
He did but he lost because both times the youth vote failed to turn out at a rate equal to their share of the population. Nevermind the easy overrepresenting share they could take in the party primary process given the fact that boomers break right much more than Millenials and Zoomers.
It wasn’t DNC meddling that defeated Bernie Sanders, it was the entitlement of the white left to everyone else doing the revolution for them and then putting them in charge of it afterwards.
Now you’re just conflating young people with leftists? And there are structural reasons young people don’t vote as much, in the US people don’t get time off for voting. That impacts young people of any political leaning. And white people vote at way higher rates than other races? Probably due to the structural barriers to voting?
Where are you getting these talking points for real
By doing what? Punching yourself in the face by not voting or voting for Trump? I’m not sure that’ll show them … or do anything good.
hm weird it’s almost as if there are other options that you’re pretending people haven’t been advocating for for months
This phrasing really doesn’t sound that clever after using 3 times.
Not quite sure what these other options are supposed to be, though I’m just an outsider looking in, so please enlighten me.
it’s almost as if I am not trying to win clever points lmao
hey! you can take your disingenuous ass out of this conversation though because if you can’t think of an option other than voting Biden, trump, or not at all, then you’re either lying or you’re so uneducated that you wouldn’t be able to understand the conversation anyway
A lot words for not answering the question.
I’m just wondering how long you’ll go on pretending you don’t know what I’m talking about lol