Russians are employing this dastardly new technology called “mines” which no army on earth has encountered before, least of all those of the NATO members like France, Germany and the UK.
Curious. They claim NATO exists as self defense against a peer enemy, yet their strategies only work against small, relatively defenseless countries!
I mean, has NATO ever tried any of it’s strategies on it’s peers? Can we say they don’t work if they haven’t?
The most they’ve done is wargames and after the Millenium Challenge 2002 shit I don’t know if their wargames could even begin to count as an attempt to even model conflict with a near-peer
Should be noted that even then the US lost so comprehensively in the first day of combat that the generals restarted the entire thing and forced the side playing Iran to essentially sit on their hands
Where’s the evidence that the Ukrainian soldiers have better training? Blind assumption that Western training is inherently superior?
It’s because their training is higher quality, more extensive and better. It’s just doing worse because they don’t know how to fight the Russians, which they are trained better than they’re just doing worse because the Russians are fighting in a way they’re not trained to fight, they’re trained to fight in a better way which is doing worse against the Russians because they’re fighting differently which is worse than the way the Ukrainians are fighting which are doing worse because they’re having issues with…
They say Russian POWs are complaining about lack of training, though they of course provide no source for this except for a general handwave of “plenty of interviewed.” Others have posted a lot of different sources (with references!) which claim the Ukrainians are generally ill-equipped and barely-trained.
Their response? Ridiculous, the Russians can’t be better trained than the Ukrainians because thebUkrainians are trained better than the Russians.They say Russian POWs are complaining about lack of training, though they of course provide no source for this except for a general handwave of “plenty of interviewed.” Others have posted a lot of different sources (with references!) which claim the Ukrainians are generally ill-equipped and barely-trained.
this is why you should never take much stock from what POWs say while in their enemy’s custody. from neither Ukrainian nor Russian POWs. It’s easy to be like “oh, but they should know! they’re first-hand witnesses of what they’re talking about!” and that can be true but there’s no way of knowing if they’ve been threatened to say what they said, or if their words have been taken out of context, etc.
If a thousand POWs say nothing, but a single one says “Oh yeah, the Russian/Ukrainian Army actually is doing these horrific acts, I totes saw them doing it, they ordered me to do it, and uhh they’re about to collapse!” then that singular opinion will be shouted from the rooftops and it will be generalized and taken as gospel by the opposing side. Propaganda is about emphasising certain facts or opinions over others, even if those certain facts or opinions are held by a tiny minority and are patently false.
“My superior training assumes you punch yourself multiple times in the face.”
French aristocrat knights, c. 14th century: “how dare these English peasants shoot me with longbows!!! Where’s their chivalry!!!”
(Actual military history may vary)
“To teach them a lesson I will ride towards them, down this muddy hill while wearing sommuch armour I cannot stand up on my own. What could possibly go wrong?”
i know you’re doing a bit, but only jousting armour was too heavy to stand in. would be hella shitty to be in full plate if you couldnt move
One night I went down the youtube rabbit hole of dudes in full plate showing off their mobility. One dude even swam for a short time doing a sorta breast stroke thing.
NATO tactics assume air superiority.
I keep harping on this point again and again because I really cannot get across how fucking stupid it is: YOU DO NOT ASSUME AIR SUPREMACY OVER ANOTHER NATION’S AIRSPACE, YOU FUCKING INCOMPETENT IDIOTS. YOU CANNOT PROJECT AIR POWER 500 MILES DEEP INTO A NATION WITH A COMPREHENSIVE AIR DEFENSE NETWORK, RADARS, AND SAM SITES. YOUR STEALTH TECHNOLOGY IS NOT INVINCIBLE, AND YOUR SHITTY OVERPRICED BULLSHIT F-35 WILL GET SHOT DOWN AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN AND THIS IS WHY YOU REFUSE TO DEPLOY THEM ON ACTUAL FRONTLINES.
Then again, since NATO keeps doubling-down on this idea it just means they’re more likely to get fucking annihilated anytime they fight a near-peer in conventional warfare, so critical support to the failson Wunderwaffen generals I guess?
The assumption is nonsense but completely consistent with NATO transforming itself from a force designed to fight a peer military to a glorified colonial gendarmarie following the collapse of the USSR. They drank their own Kool Aid about the end of history and are paying for it now.
I think it says a lot about the countries NATO has been fighting that something like “assume air superiority” isn’t laughed out of the room. It’s because they are mostly in the business of destroying third world nations and haven’t fought wars nearly so much as campaigns to exterminate resistance.
It’s a fundamental flaw in the fascistic thinking of the West. Assuming superiority. “We are the civilized, evolved supreme people, and they are primitive subhumans.”
YOUR STEALTH TECHNOLOGY IS NOT INVINCIBLE, AND YOUR SHITTY OVERPRICED BULLSHIT F-35 WILL GET SHOT DOWN AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN
I absolutely need a variant of the “Sorry, We Didn’t Know It Was Invisible” poster but for an F-35.
Go look on Reddit, you’ll see the same people who hem and haw that NATO is purely defensive gloating about bombing runs
I still want to know what level of brainworms would lead to them to smugly making a point, defeating that point extensively and then arriving to the conclusion that their point was absolutely correct. Its like their subconsciousness was trying to correct them mid post to no avail.
I think it’s just because they have an idealist view of what “better trained” is that doesn’t account for that, if you aren’t trained for what you are actually doing, you aren’t better trained.
Training must always be considered relative to conditions, like evolutionary fitness. We can say that humans are “more evolved” than the Leedsichthys (a prehistoric fish) because they have a longer evolutionary history, but that doesn’t mean shit if a human and a revived Leedsichthys are in a diving competition.
Likewise, the portion of training Ukrainian soldiers got that depends on assumed air superiority is literally less relevant than Home Ec cooking classes they might have taken.
“It’s not fair because all of nato doctorine is based on fighting uprisings without existing state power or militaries”
I’m sorry but no amount of training on the Ukrainian side is going to make up for Russia producing 2.5 million shells a year, that’s just the maths
They’ve been taught to duck tho
If you train them hard enough they turn into Neo from the matrix and can dodge bullets or stop them by pure force of will
You see, we are experts at a tactical doctrine that has been optimized to brutally crush the forces of third world nations after a decade of sanctions. I think it’s silly to expect us to be ready to face a foe with as many or more bombs than us, but this doctrine has led us to victory for decades.
I am now hearing that our strategy didn’t even exactly work when recently applied in Afghanistan, or back in Vietnam, and Iraq is a coin toss as well, but what’s important is that we’re experts in it. For example, we successfully reduced Libya to a Mad Max style country in record time, and we’re working on repeating that success in Ukraine.
NATO is forcing completely absurd tactics and strategies on the Ukrainians that has cost tens of thousands of lives, and this is why we need to support Ukraine even more with more NATO training and wonderweapons!Don’t forget, they’re also saying that Russia is using human wave attacks which also isn’t fair.
Their Human Wave Attacks
Our BraveCivilian PopulationSoldiersWhich We Forcibly ConscriptedFighting To The Last With Naught But A Molotov And An Old Rifle“When the one with the rifle gets killed, the one who follows picks up the rifle and sells it to an Italian fascist”
The Ukrainians are much better trained than the Russians! It’s just the fact that the Russians are cheating by having a MIC of their own
no more half measures walter
It’s like those sweaty tryhards in online shooters that scream slurs and whine about how sniper rifles/grenades/whatever are “no skill” and because they didn’t receive an e-honourable e-duel 1v1 with pistols (but only skilled pistols) they won by default while losing
Yeah, except real life.
Well, real life to the Ukrainians. It might as well be a game to the libs cheering it on from their armchairs.
Wine cave warriors are getting endless murder treats by staying tuned to the war, complete with a bullshit propaganda angle to make them feel like their favorite team is winning.
The wine cave warriors are the like the militant faction of the treaterati
we’re crushing Russia using only 8% of our budget. Never mind the blood. Never mind the bodies of Ukrainians this cave is carved out of.Wine cave warrior is a fantastic term btw.
When’s it my turn to have a cave of wine?
Mom says it’s my turn in the wine cave.
If I’m remembering right that commentor went on to give a very optimistic prognosis for the counteroffensive. Arguing that because the first line of Russian defences near Robotyne had breached: Tokmak will be captured imminently, putting the entire Russian logistical network under threat and severing the land bridge to Crimea, which will then lead to the total collapse of Russian military power in southern Ukraine. It’s a nice story but one completely divorced from the actual reality of the counteroffensive.
They’re really putting themselves at risk by buying their own bullshit.
According to reddit libs only the first line is actual fighting conscripts then every line behind that is just to shoot retreating russians so once you break through the first line you can casually stroll to Moscow.
Gonna be really hard to explain why they haven’t made any progress 6 months after “breaking the line” in the future.
