The difference is that Trump’s supporters actively supported his administration, and have been working to push him even further right. Biden doesn’t have the kind of cult of personality and worship Trump has, people willing to storm the capitol to keep him in power, against the democratic will of the people.
I do think there’s a nuance to “I voted for this guy, I don’t really want him but it’s the best option on the list” And “I like this guy, I liked what he did, I’d like to see him do it again”
I hear (in real life), absolutely 0 Biden supporters like example #2. I hear (in real life) about 10 trump supporters like #2. Of the people I ask who are Republicans that don’t fall into #2, they instead say something along the lines of “I don’t like abortion and I don’t think democrats are protecting my rights”. Of the Republicans I’ve met that I talk to on a semi regular basis, those people make up maybe 20% of all interactions I have. The rest…well, MAGA
Voters are not complicit in individual policies, but they are complicit in the broad differences in outcomes that are easily predicted. Trump is, by any sane metric, the greater evil by far, so Trump voters are complicit in bringing more evil to the world.
The choice to vote for a viable candidate rather than a non-viable one doesn’t make anyone complicit in an outcome they couldn’t realistically vote to prevent. Anyone who thinks a candidate other than Biden or Trump can win in November is delusional.
No, actually. I view most of the American populace, and indeed the planet’s, as an exploited, disadvantaged proletariat. The folks watching Faux News for 50 years never stood a chance. I so not hate them for it. Theyre still Americans, and I still need to go to work with them, and live in the same society as them. Ive gotten many meager and not so meager gains with righties over the past 5 years. If one of them recants on any one piece of bullshit they formerly believed in, than that is one more piece of bullshit they are not further propagating to their peers, or, more importantly, their children.
I believe that the ideal society is one free from hierarchy. How can I hate anyone for being brainwashed if I truly believe we are meant to be classless?
Solid take, but have you seen the other replies? A bunch of liberals explaining that trump voters are complicit is “totally OK because it’s so different!” I took this meme to be another castigation of leftists saying they would not vote for Biden because he’s responsible for killing more than 30k civilians in Gaza - our daily vote blue no matter who reminder. Thus any vote for Biden makes you NOT complicit in genocide because it’s not a blood pact, so please vote blue. Yet they will immediately turn around and claim that any vote for Trump IS in fact a blood pact and makes you complicit. It just gets exhausting.
“Leftists” are the Zapatistas in Spain who state as one of their core tenets improving material conditions in the transitory state until the utopia they crave comes into being. If u are a leftist, you will vote for damage control. Voting for the lesser of two evils is not the endorsement of its own evil actions bc the alternative is utter madness. To abstain from voting, to spoil ones vote, these are actions which support the greater of two evils.
When presented with a chouce between lesser evil, and far greater evil, it is not unconscionable to choose the lesser evil, but it is evil outright to choose the greater evil.
To tie into to my initial point, will those who abstain or spoil their votes have my hatred? No! They are merely an exploited proletariat whos actions have been influenced by the enormous web of influence of foreign adversaries as well as our own domestic fascists. I will pity them instead, but I will also reiterate that much like the action of voting for trump is an evil action, their own actions will also be evil, even if they themselves are not evil, but merely misguided.
How can Biden not be the greater evil? Biden is directly responsible for the deaths of so many. To not prevent the further deaths of innocent Palestinians, especially when the cost would be to simply NOT provide weapons to Israel is unconscionable. Isn’t believing that voting for Biden would improve material conditions madness, when he has shown time and time again that he does not desire peace, but the furtherance of the military-industrial complex no matter what?
I have a feeling that the people who upvote this meme hate “trump voters” because of their complicity.
The difference is that Trump’s supporters actively supported his administration, and have been working to push him even further right. Biden doesn’t have the kind of cult of personality and worship Trump has, people willing to storm the capitol to keep him in power, against the democratic will of the people.
I thought of a few ways to respond to this, but I think I’ll just let your comment stand as-is. It’s a good encapsulation of the mindset, thanks.
I do think there’s a nuance to “I voted for this guy, I don’t really want him but it’s the best option on the list” And “I like this guy, I liked what he did, I’d like to see him do it again”
I hear (in real life), absolutely 0 Biden supporters like example #2. I hear (in real life) about 10 trump supporters like #2. Of the people I ask who are Republicans that don’t fall into #2, they instead say something along the lines of “I don’t like abortion and I don’t think democrats are protecting my rights”. Of the Republicans I’ve met that I talk to on a semi regular basis, those people make up maybe 20% of all interactions I have. The rest…well, MAGA
Voters are not complicit in individual policies, but they are complicit in the broad differences in outcomes that are easily predicted. Trump is, by any sane metric, the greater evil by far, so Trump voters are complicit in bringing more evil to the world.
The choice to vote for a viable candidate rather than a non-viable one doesn’t make anyone complicit in an outcome they couldn’t realistically vote to prevent. Anyone who thinks a candidate other than Biden or Trump can win in November is delusional.
No, actually. I view most of the American populace, and indeed the planet’s, as an exploited, disadvantaged proletariat. The folks watching Faux News for 50 years never stood a chance. I so not hate them for it. Theyre still Americans, and I still need to go to work with them, and live in the same society as them. Ive gotten many meager and not so meager gains with righties over the past 5 years. If one of them recants on any one piece of bullshit they formerly believed in, than that is one more piece of bullshit they are not further propagating to their peers, or, more importantly, their children.
I believe that the ideal society is one free from hierarchy. How can I hate anyone for being brainwashed if I truly believe we are meant to be classless?
Always punch up, never down.
Solid take, but have you seen the other replies? A bunch of liberals explaining that trump voters are complicit is “totally OK because it’s so different!” I took this meme to be another castigation of leftists saying they would not vote for Biden because he’s responsible for killing more than 30k civilians in Gaza - our daily vote blue no matter who reminder. Thus any vote for Biden makes you NOT complicit in genocide because it’s not a blood pact, so please vote blue. Yet they will immediately turn around and claim that any vote for Trump IS in fact a blood pact and makes you complicit. It just gets exhausting.
“Leftists” are the Zapatistas in Spain who state as one of their core tenets improving material conditions in the transitory state until the utopia they crave comes into being. If u are a leftist, you will vote for damage control. Voting for the lesser of two evils is not the endorsement of its own evil actions bc the alternative is utter madness. To abstain from voting, to spoil ones vote, these are actions which support the greater of two evils.
When presented with a chouce between lesser evil, and far greater evil, it is not unconscionable to choose the lesser evil, but it is evil outright to choose the greater evil.
To tie into to my initial point, will those who abstain or spoil their votes have my hatred? No! They are merely an exploited proletariat whos actions have been influenced by the enormous web of influence of foreign adversaries as well as our own domestic fascists. I will pity them instead, but I will also reiterate that much like the action of voting for trump is an evil action, their own actions will also be evil, even if they themselves are not evil, but merely misguided.
How can Biden not be the greater evil? Biden is directly responsible for the deaths of so many. To not prevent the further deaths of innocent Palestinians, especially when the cost would be to simply NOT provide weapons to Israel is unconscionable. Isn’t believing that voting for Biden would improve material conditions madness, when he has shown time and time again that he does not desire peace, but the furtherance of the military-industrial complex no matter what?