“Nazi mad that people hate nazis”
What you believe in determines if you get demonized? That sounds really nice, let’s swap.
Does Lemmy have a !clevercomebacks or !murderedbywords yet?
these fucking woke left communist socialist liberals telling me it’s wrong to be a bigot that’s just taking it way too far
I love that they think that. Mere acceptance is too far? K. Then the are no limits on how too far we can go. Y’allqaida moved the goalposts so far that there’s no point in attempting to appease them anymore
Republicans have unparalleled mental gymnastics skills
Exactly. So it doesn’t matter. Demand the absolute furthest left policies, demand all the things they’re afraid of. Full term abortion for all, paid for by specifically tax dollars of farmers. Universal healthcare that will pay for homeless immigrants no questions asked.
Be the radical leftist they say you are.
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Never was.
says Fears
What’s that phenomena called where people tend to favor careers that fit their name? Like a fireman named Les McBurny? This guy gives me the same vibes with a name like that and being so scared of progress and people who are different.
Also if we cried for him, we would be shedding tears for Fears.
Nominative Determinism
Everybody wants to rule the worrrrld
welcome to your life
there’s no turning backEven while we sleep we will find you
Acting on your best behavior, Turn your back on Mother Nature
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Shout, shout, let it all out!
What’s that phenomena called where people tend to favor careers that fit their name? Like a fireman named Les McBurny?
An aptronym?
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Yes but Im only genocidal because its beneficial to the environment.
The white supremacist violence that took place in Jacksonville this past weekend has me doing some research.
The source of this quote is here, from another incident in Florida:
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/attempted-homicide-richard-spencer-speech-gainesville-florida_n_59ea766ae4b0958c468228ffDoes anyone have any ideas how to make improvements in the sorry state of white America? I say this as a white man. All the solutions I conceive are complicated and far fetched — like developing communities based on love and respect not money and subjugation.
I would suggest not starting with the premise that the problem is “White America.” These folks don’t speak for White people, not even remotely, and buying into that falsehood is exactly what they want.
The idea of a white America to begin with is inherently toxic, tbf. American whiteness is a construct made by ruling elites once they realized that the Irish and Italian immigrants were going to outnumber the British-Germanic descended citizenry.
I mean, the United States is something like 75% white, so its mostly white. Right?
The problem is batshit crazy racists, violent gun-obsessed lunatics, and other combo mental health/social indoctrination problems.
And yes, by statistics those people are 75% likely to be white, too. And wouldn’t you know it, stats for mass shootings show that’s pretty accurate.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/476456/mass-shootings-in-the-us-by-shooter-s-race/
Maybe we all need to stop blaming race for everything. Maybe it’s just America.
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it’s more like 60% white
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statistics regarding “mass shootings” are ALWAYS misleading because the definition of “mass shooting” is way more broad than most people realize. More than 1 victim = mass shooting. So if there’s a gang shootout between 3 or more people, that’s a mass shooting. Someone shoots their cheating spouse and the person they cheated with? Mass shooting. It’s very rarely the kind of planned terroristic thing people associate the term with.
I think your overall point is still valid but I wanted to clear those things up.
Good details, thanks for adding.
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You’re missing the point.
Shallow understanding from people of goodwill is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will.
I’m not going to say it any better than MLK, so I’ll just leave the link here.
White America is the problem. Sure, moderate white Americans are so much less terrible than outright racists, but a complacent majority that is happy to reap the benefits of an unjust system, simply because it is the comfortable path, is one of the major reasons why it’s so hard to make movement against those racists.
Labeling an entire group of people “the problem,” based on a superficial demographic trait is prejudiced and unhelpful. You often alienate the very people you want help from. Rather than using a superficial trait that has nothing inherently to do with the problem, target the problem itself: the problematic ideology.
I don’t care to debate this, tbh. If you really think white people are the problem you’re just being racist too, and I have no patience for that.
You’re absolutely right, I’m sorry. Let me try that again without mentioning race, in a discussion about race inequality.
White America isPeople who benefit from an injust system are the problem. Sure, moderatewhite Americanspeople who benefit from an injust system are so much less terrible than outright racists, but a complacent majority that is happy to reap the benefits of an unjust system, simply because it is the comfortable path, is one of the major reasons why it’s so hard to make movement against those racists.Now, let me check my notes on who benefits from an injust system of racism in America…
“white America” is another description for white supremacy in the US. What you’re recommending is to dismantle systems of oppression without dismantling white supremacy. I hope you can see how that’s a problem without me explaining it.
Then say the problem is White supremacy. Saying the problem is White America sounds far too much like saying the problem is White Americans, especially to someone who’s not educated on racial issues in the same way you are.
Let’s go back to that MLK quote then.
shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will.
Uh… do you wanna elaborate on what you mean there? Because what I’m inferring seems kinda bad and I don’t wanna put words in your mouth.
“white America” is another description for white supremacy in the US.
Only among people who desperately need to touch grass
You’re apparently under the delusion that all White Americans are White supremacists, which—as I said to the other respondent—simply means you’re racist.
I’m always amazed anti-White racists can’t work out they’re making the same mistakes every other racist is making. You’ve actually deluded yourselves into thinking you can’t be racist against White people. How you fail to grasp such a simple concept as judging an entire group of people based on their skin color, while simultaneously claiming you understand it better than anyone else is beyond me.
You can’t be racist again white people because they are the majority. You can be prejudiced sure, but racism doesn’t work that way. White people literally rule the world, so call them racist if you like, but they still have all the power.
That’s just your way of justifying your racism against Whites. It allows you to create double standards for behavior based on skin color, which you’ve just demonstrated. I don’t have time to debate racism with racists, so I won’t be responding further.
I think using that MLK quote should be considered a form of Godwin’s Law at this point
Can you do me a favor and scroll back to the top of the thread and remember how the conversation started? Invoking Godwin’s here about MLK isn’t really the point you think it is.
Invoking the same MLK quote that’s been making the rounds recently isn’t the win you think it is.
Require public middle schools to include mandatory courses or seminars about empathy, emotional wellbeing, and basic social skills.
or
Put them with the other white-supremacists on a square of land and let them be an independent territory, on the condition that anyone who wants to leave must be allowed to leave to the US. And point and laugh as they realize only white men would want to live in a society that arbitrarily puts white men at the top.
or
Kindly ask the media to stop using the same 5 “scary SJWs who want to kill all men!!!” to convince half the country that they are being persecuted by all women and minorities everywhere.
(disclaimer: results may vary.)
Require public middle schools to include mandatory courses or seminars about empathy, emotional wellbeing, and basic social skills.
I’m all for this.
I was sitting in a McDonalds restaurant in the late morning on a weekday in the Midwest USA. There was a group of older white men drinking coffee and having discussions. I wasn’t really following their conversation, but one man made one of the stupidest and out-of-touch statements I’ve heard in months. Its a turn of phrase that sounds like he heard it somewhere else and was parroting it like it was clever. It isn’t, of course.
It was this: “We spend so much effort trying not to offend anyone anymore. Why can’t we just get back to just offending everyone?”
This man was an older version of the OP; white, cis-gendered male. He’s been the recipient of privilege his entire life any may not even be aware of what others go through or think that those that do “deserve it”. He doesn’t get that “Why can’t we just get back to just offending everyone?” was when white males like himself were immune to being criticized in society for their gender and skin color while every group that wasn’t white and male was on the receiving end of bigotry and misogyny. Of course he wants to go back to that, where he can insult and belittle others others without any consequences.
I have no idea why these people can step outside of themselves for even a short time to listen to the experiences of others, and put themselves in their place to feel what it would feel like to be on the receiving end, to experience institutional racism and misogyny limiting what they can do in life in our society. I don’t know how these old white men, who many claim to be instilled with a strong sense of justice, and see their fellow citizens being treated differently by our society and our justice system.
How can these people possibly become better versions of themselves when their identity is built on the premise that they are intrinsically better than other people just because of their male genitalia and lack of skin pigmentation?
who many claim to be instilled with a strong sense of justice
They think justice is them (and people they like) winning. That’s what they believe. Values and morals are justifications for what they do, not reasons to do things.
That’s why they will never understand when you try to explain how they are not actually following their values, or heros, or religion. Their main idea is that they are correct and right. It’s not a complicated position but it’s very human.
If you don’t think like that, congratulations. You’re a better person. But that doesn’t mean you’ll be able to convince them that they’re wrong.
“We spend so much effort trying not to offend anyone anymore. Why can’t we just get back to just offending everyone?”
I mean, it’s obviously wrong to lash out to do the opposite of what people order of you, yet I feel like in minor ways we’ve all done that to some degree. I also can’t think of any close group of friends that hasn’t picked out some kind of group that they are okay with disparaging - be it local drivers, voters of a political party, people playing a certain game, etc. If it seems like the goal for happiness is to just forbid any externally focused negativity, it’s not hard to see why that doesn’t seem appealing. People always have gripes, and want to express them.
You even see this with little kids. They do a thousand mean/bad things parents hate because they want to do things. The biggest tip I think early parents need is to stop leading every sentence with “Don’t ____!” - instead try to invent things that they can do that the parents are okay with. “Hey, count how many white cars are on the road.” “Hey, can you fill this coloring book using only wrong colors”, etc. They just want to figure out a ‘space’ that they’re not going to be shot down for inventiveness.
The key, and maybe this is something those coffee drinkers don’t understand and could even plausibly be taught, is to focus any gripes towards thoughts and actions of others, never identities. If you asked extremely bigoted people whether “people in wheelchairs are stupid”, I would bet a fair number of them would recoil and tell you to shove off, because even they know no one asks to be in a wheelchair. But it’s less clear to them why someone might end up a junkie on drugs, or illegally immigrating, or what multiple reasons there might be for links between arrest rate and skin color.
I have no idea why these people can step outside of themselves for even a short time to listen to the experiences of others
I mean, you may have answered your own question with the “I have no idea” part. If you can’t envision an even halfway possible reason for the life they’ve lead, bringing them to that point they make that statement, you have your own answer how it’s hard to put yourself in others’ shoes.
At the risk of explaining the joke, you’re not far off. Become an organizer at your workplace/apartment complex/community. Creating working class solidarity is the best way to fight against fascism. If you have extra time on your hands, you can volunteer at your local polling place, join a local group of antifascists that infiltrate fascist communities, or lobby government to make changes like making it easier to vote. There’s a lot of options, but none of them are particularly easy to accomplish.
Creating working class solidarity
You guys say that about everything
“Man my back hurts today”
“It would hurt a lot less if you organized your fellow proletariats to overthrow the bourgeoisie”
Tell me more about how solidarity isn’t the answer to fight fascism.
When all you have is a hammer…
They have a sickle, too!
Lol
So what you’re saying is that a group of working class people creating coalitions, community resources, mutual aid, etc won’t be a good deterrent from fascism? The best way to fight fascism is to remove the material conditions that lead to people becoming fascists.
you’re purposely being facetious.
It’s really hard to found any kind of movement that aims to respect and accept “cis-gendered, white, straight men”. Because, factually and in the public eye, those people just generally need less help than various minorities that each get oppressed.
But for any individual person, it’s horribly demeaning to come home from a hard day at work not making enough to buy the PlayStation you want, aching for someone to talk to, and all the support groups out there are for “Black Engineers of America”, or “Help for Transgenders afraid to come out to their parents”. I say that as someone who absolutely respects and values the benefit those groups bring. Keep in mind: People looking in from the outside of those orgs probably also have a hard time seeing or understanding the amount of societal pain people have just by being in those minority groups, before and after those organizations started forming.
The boringly sad way of putting it is, if you are white, cis-gendered, male, and straight, (in short, the “majority”), and you happen to not have a talent that makes you unique, you literally can’t finish the sentence “I am PROUD to be ____” without coming across as a bit of a demon in some people’s eyes.
My post is longer than it should be for a meme comment, but I do want to end on a positive / plan of action: At the very least, one step is acknowledgment, and that never has to come at the cost of those minority groups - each of whom need their own, often more urgent help. A big one I’d want is to completely shut down the “male negativity” that’s kinda formed in media, as a backlashing response to the “women negativity” in terrible old media. We often say we want men to open up and be more emotional, yet it’s still played for laughs on TV.
I tried to tag you in my reply below but I’m not sure if I did it right. I wrote TWO long posts underneath @cubedsteaks – and YOU said your post was longer than it should be! If you don’t have time to read my serialized thoughts below, just know that I appreciated your response.
The boringly sad way of putting it is, if you are white, cis-gendered, male, and straight, (in short, the “majority”), and you happen to not have a talent that makes you unique, you literally can’t finish the sentence “I am PROUD to be ____” without coming across as a bit of a demon in some people’s eyes.
I mean, no one will give you guff for “Irish-American pride” or “English-American pride” or “Italian-American pride”, and American pride is basically mandatory in our society. Male pride is still very much lionized (pun intended) in our society, and celebrated. I believe the in-vogue phrase for gynephilia positivity is “All women are queens” followed by clapping emojis. Nothing for being cis-gendered, I suppose.
But for any individual person, it’s horribly demeaning to come home from a hard day at work not making enough to buy the PlayStation you want, aching for someone to talk to, and all the support groups out there are for “Black Engineers of America”, or “Help for Transgenders afraid to come out to their parents”. I say that as someone who absolutely respects and values the benefit those groups bring. Keep in mind: People looking in from the outside of those orgs probably also have a hard time seeing or understanding the amount of societal pain people have just by being in those minority groups, before and after those organizations started forming.
What’s so crazy about this is even I, as a bisexual woman don’t get to go to any support groups cause where I live, if you’re not trans and a youth, who cares?? If you’re not BIPOC, tough shit.
Hell most people, even other gay people will act like bisexuality isn’t real or doesn’t count or isn’t good enough to warrant any kind of support.
Like even the queer events here are usually just targeted towards trans and BIPOC or aro/ace people. It’s like the other parts of LGBTQ+ don’t even matter to them.
I’m attempting to reply to @Katana314 & @cubedsteaks but I really don’t know what I’m doing. Katana, you say your post is too long for the format, and I totally get what you mean but want you to know how much I appreciate it. I’ll use the spoons metaphor to say that sometimes I’m able, open, eager to engage in patient dialogue… and sometimes I’m not. Tonight I am and I’ve just written a reply that’s TOO LONG for the input field! Here’s Part One:
I’m white, 51, gay, artist. Whenever I gripe about “white America” it is from my biased perspective. My experience of “my culture” growing up was a homogenous monoethnic white Christian blob, centered on money/materialism and gatekeeping/judgment of others. That doesn’t have to be everyone’s experience of white America, but it was mine – and my observation of cultural critiques tells me that I’m not the only one who saw things that way. I’m not self-hating now but I was deeply self-hating until I accepted myself as “unacceptable” to the standards of my upbringing. I took a different path and feel that I have found meaning by rejecting my upbringing. Other groups speak of “the ancestors” and such… I find little sustenance there since my ancestors were white supremacists. The generation above me are anti-gay, Fox-watching, Trump-voting… We have superficial relationships but not what I call love. In some ways this gulf is “my fault” because it has been my “decision” to reject my upbringing… but I suffered massive cognitive dissonance until I sort of “rebooted” as a clean slate. Sigh. I am running out of spoons as I type – didn’t mean to get so deeply personal. Uhhh, earlier someone objected to me calling out “white America”; I didn’t reply because it didn’t feel like an invitation to productive conversation. The best I might have come up with would have been sarcastic: “Gosh, I’d hate for any white Americans to see my post and decide to be awful people to spite me!” It’s just… yeah. I knew when I wrote my initial post it was lacking nuance, because of the format. And I live in FUCKING JACKSONVILLE. [Pause for real tears.] I have been in the store where the recent murders took place. I received my Covid shots on the campus of the HBCU the white terrorist prowled before he went and killed elsewhere. When I was the killer’s age I was at my lowest point mentally/emotionally. If I had had easy access to guns I might not be here today. Thankfully guns were not part of my family’s culture. Few people I knew growing up in the 70s/80s were into guns. Some people went on hunting trips. Other than that no one wanted guns around in the suburbs other than bb-guns. When I was the killer’s age I felt zero connection to community. I never fell into white supremacy (beyond the implicit bias I absorbed as standard). I was religious and deeply, desperately closeted. Any aggressive and negative thoughts I had were directed at the gay community. I was bitter that support groups existed for “them” and not for me. It could have been my support, but my homophobia was so strong it took me until almost 30 to accept myself as gay. My 20s were awful. My life continues to be isolated… The gay men I know are into money, superficial looks, partying, drugs, alcohol, and more money – and I hate lazily invoking stereotypes but this is how I feel. I’ve known so many gay Republicans. It hurts. My own voting history was: GOP, NOTHING, GREEN, DEM, DEM, DEM, DEM… I’m a little proud I only voted GOP once, but it took me 3-4 presidential cycles for me to understand the US democracy game. That’s another area where community might have helped, but I felt none.
If I had the spoons…
I have a friend who begins her fantasies with, “When I win the lottery…” Since I see the lottery as harmful money-worship I had a conversation with this friend about it. She uses the phrase to inspire freedom to dream, so I invented my own variation: When I’m fully funded! An artist (who rejects a consumerist model) can dream, can’t he?!1/2
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When I’m fully funded I would devise a series called White People Problems. Despite the provocative title I would not presume to speak for others. Honest discourse is personal and leaves the generalizing to the audience. In this long post I have scratched the surface of what I see as “white people’s problems.” I believe that many white Americans are hurting, disconnected from meaning, disconnected from each other. The centrality of money and centuries of exploitation are the foundational causes. Racial division is a secondary result and useful tool to maintain society based on materialism and exploitation. On Being is my favorite podcast. I think it may have been an episode with Isabel Wilkerson (Caste https://www.isabelwilkerson.com) that pointed out how all of society is harmed by racism, white supremacy, inequality. I believe white Americans suffer deeply. In very different ways from non-whites, obviously. I believe that the loudest voices addressing white people who are suffering offer increased hate and bigotry, in a stubborn commitment to sunk costs. If I were fully funded I would seek to address this need. I believe that the suffering of white Americans (including materialism, lack of community, lack of meaning) is destroying civilization and the planet.And SIGH a slight post script for anyone who may feel argumentative about what I have said: There is a difference between blame, shame, and hate, and what I am saying. Also keep in mind that I am trying to phrase this SIMPLY as my beliefs from my personal feelings and experience as a white male who has lived the past half century. In my experience white identity, white culture, white commitment to democracy and other supposed values, and white Christianity are hollow and meaningless. I’m not trying to argue others into seeing my point of view, but I think that the things we are witnessing reinforce my suspicions. Declines in religious membership indicate something is lacking there. Religion especially angers me because of its privileged status and the fact that it is the realm that could be healing and helping. In my experience US white Christianity is causing harm. I called myself an atheist for many years; and, though that’s technically accurate, I now identify as Humanist. I prefer to express positive values to others. I think a person can be any other affiliation and also a humanist.
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I could go on forever because I feel a lot of passion around these topics. I’ll end by saying democracy is consent. Respecting each other requires consent. We will never fully understand or agree with each other. Improving democracy, while participating in our current flawed system, is the only hope I see. Money and structural inequalities are corruptions of democracy that remove consent. One person, one vote. Removing manipulation. I don’t believe I will live to see the triumph of respect for ourselves and each other. It’s my guiding star, though.
I make the joke about “fully funded” but it’s not a joke. If anyone who sees this knows of any way I could direct my passion towards improving the world I am open to suggestions. All my previous jobs were making the world worse, and making me unhappy. I quit during the pandemic. I am a visual artist, committed to humanism and democracy. Lately I have been living off beans, bread, and peanut butter. If I could I would put this paragraph in iMessage hidden style, or upside down. I don’t want to ruin the points I’m sincerely trying to make by discussing the fact that I’m not making ends meet. At the same time I do think my lack of income is a relevant data point.
I already wrote 2 loooong responses to you and @katana314 but I wanted to piggyback more specifically on what you say here. As an artist I have felt a lack of opportunities / interest / niche because I’m a middle aged, white, male, upper middle class background. I somehow don’t think my gayness counts for much, probably related to some of my own stereotypes about my demographic that I get into in my longer comments. The doors that are open to me as a white male do not lead places I want to go. Living according to my values leads me into spaces where my characteristics are (possibly) unwanted. It’s not something I normally articulate due to the many advantages I do have, and have experienced. My focus is to produce work in accordance with my values, to never stop expressing and living according to those values, and the positive feedback I do receive is more valuable that way.
Does anyone have any ideas how to make improvements in the sorry state of white America?
If you see a nazi punch them in the fucking face.
Or if they identify as a nazi using an easilly removable pin, give them something that can’t be taken off.
Fixing something difficult and complex is always harder than breaking it more.
How do we fix white america? I don’t know. But I know that teaching each other that it’s not white vs black, but it’s not racist vs racist and that as white people we’re gonna have to prove which side we’re on regularly. Similar with every other axis of oppression.
I think we also have to remember that the fascists are actively recruiting these boys. Antifascists need to counter that. Idk how, but we need to find out. Antifascism is at its best when it’s like the rainbow coalition. We all understand who the real enemy is: fascists.
Yes. The murderer on Saturday is said to have had a swastika drawn on his gun and a Rhodesian army patch on his clothing. As bad as Florida schools are he didn’t learn to like those things in school. He was groomed, most likely online. The conservative reactions seek to identify the fault as squarely within the individual — although not to the extent that they will support mental health screening prior to gun purchases. In other words, not to any meaningful extent. The only consequence a conservative politician supports is vitriolic tough talk for the cameras.
as white people we’re gonna have to prove which side we’re on regularly
Remember when Muslims were socially pressured to prove they weren’t terrorists by condeming the terrorists, following 9/11?
I have no problem with condemning racism, seeing as it is evil, but we should maintain an “innocent until proven guilty” policy.
Nazis are the ultimate intersectional mobaliser
Absolutely. Even if you’re a cishet white man who fits all the things they like fascists are still bad for you. They’ll throw you into battle or recruit you to do atrocities or just tank the economy and ensure you have to follow lockstep with their rule while hurting everyone who’s different
End stochastic terrorism by de-platforming the alt-right pipeline. These shoots all listen to the same pundits, go to the same messageboards. We can debate them and debunk their theories, which does work somewhat, ultimately I think disrupting these platforms is the answer.
Before that it was John Birch Society spreading out magazines and having meetings in homes like Avon. I do agree the internet, mainstream radio, and TV helped a lot too. Cutting down access to not yet radicalized people I do think would help. People used to think birchers were crazy, even on the right. Up until they basically transformed into the Tea Party. (Funded a lot by Kochs, sons of one of the original Birchers).
Oh yea, you’re right.
Nothing can be done because it’s too profitable and too essential to the sham of a government we have. We all play our parts just as we’re supposed to.
STFU with your useless cynicism. You sound like a loser who’s already given up. We don’t need people like you.
Literally attempting anything is better than doing nothing. The least we can do is improve education by having local politicians put more tax spending into public schools, so as to develop less defeatist losers, or less racists, less fascists, less religious fundamentalists, less tankies.
I understand that you need hope to navigate this awful world. I don’t. I see this for what it is; a lost cause.
Get back to me when those politicians start doing what you think needs to be done. I’ll wait.
You could at least not comment on it and go rot off to the side somewhere while us grown ups try to fix all the problems for you.
Oh please. I’m older than you I’m sure and I’ve been around long enough to know that the system is working as it’s intended to. Your indignation, while admirable, is wasted.
the system is working as it’s intended to.
sounds like you like to settle. I don’t.
Ok, kid. Call me when you make some meaningful changes.
Hey, if you’ve given up already, would you mind voting third party so as to help disrupt the two party system? Kthxbye.
Voting 3rd party is a wasted vote in a 2 party system. Granted any vote in a system with all the outdated and corrupt practices we have is practically wasted…
It’s only a waste because everyone thinks so. That’s propaganda from the parties on top to keep themselves on top.
Math does not check out
Voting 3rd party helps the fascists.
Obligatory “are we the baddies?”
Poor guy, she didn’t have to be such a jerk
These chucklefucks seem to always say shit like “lean right” or “moderate conservative” and then go on about Hitler did nothing wrong and Regan is God’s gift to man…
Ffs Mr.StrongMan state your position honestly you coward!
I see the same shit on dating apps everyone is either liberal or moderate… I live in a red area, 80% of those “moderates” are 100% on the Trump train and say pretty much that in their profiles… It’s some masturbation, big brain feels, to say you’re above it all by being “moderate” even though you’re 110% Right wing conservative, or just fear…
If anything one common trait of Republicans is cowardice/fear. That’s why they need the strong man, it’s why they fear the immigrant, it’s why they worship the military and police. The world is a big scary place and they need to feel safe so they can’t even be honest with themselves and say they’re Right wing.
These chucklefucks seem to always say shit like “lean right” or “moderate conservative” and then go on about Hitler did nothing wrong and Regan is God’s gift to man…
Pretending to not be far-right is a deliberate strategy. Once upon a time it was “hiding your power level”, these days it’s probably known as being “mask on”.
You’ve already worked out at least one reason why – nobody wants to fuck a neo-nazi. So they masquerade as “moderates” to try and get their dicks sucked and seethe whenever women see through it.
Another reason is deplatforming – nobody wants to listen to a neo-nazi either. What are they possibly going to contribute to a conversation? “The problem is minorities and the solution is to kill them”.
Finally, they work hard to try and normalise their beliefs. They want to convince actual moderates that demonising the LGBT community is what good conservatives do. They want to convince children playing games online that it’s normal to hurl racist slurs at strangers.
The entire “alt-right” thing was just a way of creating plausible deniability about who they really were and what they really think.
When the “unite the right” rally happened, they were feeling braver than they had in decades. They had a top 50 subreddit. They’d been on television. People weren’t spitting on them.
So they triumphantly dropped the act, waved around swastikas, chanted about jews, killed an innocent woman who disagreed with them and readied themselves for their spots of honour in the fourth rieche.
But it never came. Instead, they got fired from their jobs and disowned by their families. People went back to calling them Nazis and spitting in their faces. All their progress was wiped out in an instant.
They learned their lesson; unless you’re about to do a mass shooting, never admit what you truly are.
I remember right afterwards when a bunch of them got put on no fly lists and they couldn’t work out why.
They genuinely hadn’t figured that there would be consequences to their actions. They travelled potentially hundreds of miles to somewhere where they weren’t liked, burnt what few bridges they had left, and then got stuck on a no-fly list. I would love to know how some of them got back. I think it would make for an interesting comedy show.
I’m just picturing the sequence from Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back where they’re trying to get to California to stop the Bluntman and Chronic movie from being made as our hero tried desperately to keep everyone on the road from recognizing him as one of the Nazis that was at the Capitol and the pursuing Feds looking to arrest him.
Presumably the KKK thought of themselves as moderate. And of course they tend to fall back when called out to the good old cowardly, “We’re only saying what everyone else is thinking”, whilst conveniently ignoring what everyone is actually thinking.
Where I live they’re just calling themselves “centrists” which is just code for “i’m secret repub cause i know if i tell people i’m repub they will shun me”
How did i end up in the dumbest of the world ending scenario timelines :(
If it makes you feel any better, we’re probably not in the dumbest one.
*yet
This feels like a parody. I don’t even know if it’s real or not anymore.
I assume it’s not, but only because I don’t think the Huffpost could succinctly capture irony.
Can’t believe that’s not an Onion article.
This is why the onion is struggling, how to you satire the new when the news feels like satire.
I want to get off Mr Bones’ Wild Ride
Same. But we both know when Mr. Bones’ Wild Ride ends…
I want to get off Mr Bones’ Wild Ride
Some Aylo intern scribbling down Mr. Boner’s Wild Ride.
Accept certain things like “Jewish people are people”?
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A snippet from a HuffPost article reading:
‘“Basically, I’m just fed up with the fact that I’m cis-gendered, I’m a white male, and I lean right, towards the Republican side,” said Fears, 28, wearing a pin of the 3rd SS Panzer Division Totenkopf of the Waffen-SS. “And I get demonized if I don’t accept certain things.”’
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