I don’t 100% agree with this posts point. If you said the Reddit comment in many of the subs you’d have the comment deleted for personal attacks. However, I do agree partially with the Lemmy one.
I’m finding myself more willing to engage with differing views while robustly defending my own views and I’ll pepper my arguments with some swearing when appropriate.
It’s a closer representation of my actual self. I’m a sweary, Northern Englishman irl but I’m fair and give peope a chance and will listen. So that’s how I behave here now.
On Reddit I talked more like a polite AI bot with no opinion on anything lest I receive a suspension or get my comment deleted by an overzealous AutoModerator bot for “personal attack”.
I wish that type of in-person language use was more acceptable throughout the US… I’m from Jersey and while I can speak freely in that region and be received normally, everyone here in the Midwest is afraid of me and thinks I’m angry when I speak freely…
I avoid the debate because I don’t feel informed enough to have a valid opinion.
However, it does concern me that in all the tussle over trans rights there are children in the middle being used as political footballs and many will be comitting suicide and hurting themselves because of what adults are saying in the halls of power across the world and in the newspapers.
I also feel some empathy because of a recent guidance change in the UK that is very similar to the Section 28 Law of the 90s that made my life as a gay teen very, very miserable.
I think a community that welcomes bigots is unwelcoming to everyone else, and that tolerance is not a virtue that should be applied to all universally, but rather a quality that should be shared only with those that practice it themselves.
Then, with respect, you miss the point. It is possible that transgenderism is a net danger to society. It also might not be. It might be that there’s some space between wholesale admiration and reluctant tolerance that’s more appropriate for the population at large. Maybe not.
Point is, if no one is talking about it, then this stuff never gets hashed out and you get fracturing, underground movements, resentment, distrust, and radicalization.
Your post could be, not trying to strawman, like saying you only talk to people that agree with you. You should talk to people you perceive to be bigots, misogynists, racists, and so on because they’re the only ones unconvinced.
Presumably, you aren’t going to “catch it” from them unless they change your mind or your convictions weren’t that solid in the first place.
It is possible that transgenderism is a net danger to society.
It’s certain that bigotry is a danger to society. Trans people are no threat to society at all.
You should talk to people you perceive to be bigots, misogynists, racists, and so on because they’re the only ones unconvinced.
That doesn’t mean that everywhere has to platform them. If I want to talk to bigots, I can go to reddit, facebook, twitter, threads, 4chan, etc. Hell, even lemmy has exploding-heads. There’s no shortage of opportunities to talk to bigots. That doesn’t mean everywhere has to welcome them.
I think the joke, if it was one, was that you can’t say “transgenderism is a danger to society,” much of anywhere - Not on most of Reddit certainly, at least that’s my impression, not usually going around saying that kind of thing.
And I agree that trans people aren’t a threat, in and of themselves. It’s everyone that’s using them as a rainbow political cudgel to whip up a moral panic that’s playing with fire.
I think the joke, if it was one, was that you can’t say “transgenderism is a danger to society,” much of anywhere
I’ve seen that and worse on reddit, twitter and facebook. And definitely on 4chan and exploding-heads. Without having to look very hard.
It’s everyone that’s using them as a rainbow political cudgel to whip up a moral panic that’s playing with fire.
Conservatives have been screaming that trans people are groomers and using that as justification for introducing bathroom bills, banning books about gay and trans people, calling bomb threats in to hospitals and retailers, and openly calling for eradicating trans people. That’s what a moral panic looks like.
Exactly what would you say constitutes a moral panic that’s happening in the opposite direction?
When you make 60% of your headlines and magazine articles about the latest, brave, beautiful drag queen in (I believe) an effort to monetize resent-viewing on one side and hate-viewing on the other, you make a miniscule “community” famous. The famous have always been equal parts adored and hated, even killed sometimes.
I don’t think they asked to be the center of attention, but the other fights were so close to won that they weren’t driving enough engagement anymore, so further down the alphabet we go. Gay marriage was the last flash in the pan and now most Republicans support it. They didn’t lose. They weren’t forced. They came around. It took a while, but they did.
Which leads me to the moral panic of the other direction and that’s anything to do with religion, men’s issues, systemic racism… All blown to epic, apocalyptic proportions. The Proud Boys don’t run Hollywood or Disney or hospitals or social media platforms. They’re a handful of rednecks… In fact they’re not anything anymore, would be my guess.
The progressive, activist Left appears (to me) to be moral panic personified. Just another “join or die,” authoritarian ideology. Once upon a time, being gay might get you fired. Being a woman might prevent that promotion. Big business used to be afraid of the wrath of the Christian Right, but it’s swung in the other direction now and the progressive Left wields that power no more gracefully than the Bible-clutching WASPs did before them.
When you make 60% of your headlines and magazine articles about the latest, brave, beautiful drag queen in (I believe) an effort to monetize resent-viewing on one side and hate-viewing on the other, you make a miniscule “community” famous.
So, that 60% figure is complete nonsense. And the rest of what I quoted is just you whining based on the number you made up.
I don’t think they asked to be the center of attention, but the other fights were so close to won that they weren’t driving enough engagement anymore, so further down the alphabet we go.
Do you think trans people are going out and picking fights with conservatives? It’s the other way around. Conservatives are ginning up hate for people who pose no threat whatsoever to them. Calling them groomers and saying they mutilate kids. I listed the things Republicans are doing. You made up a number and acted persecuted because you have to know trans people exist.
Gay marriage was the last flash in the pan and now most Republicans support it. They didn’t lose. They weren’t forced. They came around. It took a while, but they did.
This is completely false. Gay marriage was illegal in my state until 2015. There’s still Republicans fighting court battles because they’re such bigots that they can’t stand the idea of making a website for a notional gay person who they may one day encounter.
The Proud Boys don’t run Hollywood
Do tell, who do you think runs Hollywood? Are triple parentheses involved?
or Disney or hospitals
No, they just threaten to bomb hospitals. And march in front of Disney with nazi (and DeSantis) flags.
or social media platforms.
Here’s where I point out that reddit kept the_donald around for years after they helped organize the unite the right nazi rally.
Big business used to be afraid of the wrath of the Christian Right
And now they’re cowed by bomb threats from the unhinged violent conservative followers of libsoftiktok.
but it’s swung in the other direction now and the progressive Left wields that power no more gracefully than the Bible-clutching WASPs did before them.
I am absolutely trying my best to be friendly, tolerant and open minded here on Lemmy to set the tone for a growing culture here
I don’t 100% agree with this posts point. If you said the Reddit comment in many of the subs you’d have the comment deleted for personal attacks. However, I do agree partially with the Lemmy one.
I’m finding myself more willing to engage with differing views while robustly defending my own views and I’ll pepper my arguments with some swearing when appropriate.
It’s a closer representation of my actual self. I’m a sweary, Northern Englishman irl but I’m fair and give peope a chance and will listen. So that’s how I behave here now.
On Reddit I talked more like a polite AI bot with no opinion on anything lest I receive a suspension or get my comment deleted by an overzealous AutoModerator bot for “personal attack”.
I wish that type of in-person language use was more acceptable throughout the US… I’m from Jersey and while I can speak freely in that region and be received normally, everyone here in the Midwest is afraid of me and thinks I’m angry when I speak freely…
You twat…
Jk don’t shoot me
I don’t think he could hear you with that bell end in your mouth, mate…
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I avoid the debate because I don’t feel informed enough to have a valid opinion.
However, it does concern me that in all the tussle over trans rights there are children in the middle being used as political footballs and many will be comitting suicide and hurting themselves because of what adults are saying in the halls of power across the world and in the newspapers.
I also feel some empathy because of a recent guidance change in the UK that is very similar to the Section 28 Law of the 90s that made my life as a gay teen very, very miserable.
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I think a community that welcomes bigots is unwelcoming to everyone else, and that tolerance is not a virtue that should be applied to all universally, but rather a quality that should be shared only with those that practice it themselves.
Bigotry should not be tolerated.
Then, with respect, you miss the point. It is possible that transgenderism is a net danger to society. It also might not be. It might be that there’s some space between wholesale admiration and reluctant tolerance that’s more appropriate for the population at large. Maybe not.
Point is, if no one is talking about it, then this stuff never gets hashed out and you get fracturing, underground movements, resentment, distrust, and radicalization.
Your post could be, not trying to strawman, like saying you only talk to people that agree with you. You should talk to people you perceive to be bigots, misogynists, racists, and so on because they’re the only ones unconvinced.
Presumably, you aren’t going to “catch it” from them unless they change your mind or your convictions weren’t that solid in the first place.
It’s certain that bigotry is a danger to society. Trans people are no threat to society at all.
That doesn’t mean that everywhere has to platform them. If I want to talk to bigots, I can go to reddit, facebook, twitter, threads, 4chan, etc. Hell, even lemmy has exploding-heads. There’s no shortage of opportunities to talk to bigots. That doesn’t mean everywhere has to welcome them.
I think the joke, if it was one, was that you can’t say “transgenderism is a danger to society,” much of anywhere - Not on most of Reddit certainly, at least that’s my impression, not usually going around saying that kind of thing.
And I agree that trans people aren’t a threat, in and of themselves. It’s everyone that’s using them as a rainbow political cudgel to whip up a moral panic that’s playing with fire.
I’ve seen that and worse on reddit, twitter and facebook. And definitely on 4chan and exploding-heads. Without having to look very hard.
Conservatives have been screaming that trans people are groomers and using that as justification for introducing bathroom bills, banning books about gay and trans people, calling bomb threats in to hospitals and retailers, and openly calling for eradicating trans people. That’s what a moral panic looks like.
Exactly what would you say constitutes a moral panic that’s happening in the opposite direction?
When you make 60% of your headlines and magazine articles about the latest, brave, beautiful drag queen in (I believe) an effort to monetize resent-viewing on one side and hate-viewing on the other, you make a miniscule “community” famous. The famous have always been equal parts adored and hated, even killed sometimes.
I don’t think they asked to be the center of attention, but the other fights were so close to won that they weren’t driving enough engagement anymore, so further down the alphabet we go. Gay marriage was the last flash in the pan and now most Republicans support it. They didn’t lose. They weren’t forced. They came around. It took a while, but they did.
Which leads me to the moral panic of the other direction and that’s anything to do with religion, men’s issues, systemic racism… All blown to epic, apocalyptic proportions. The Proud Boys don’t run Hollywood or Disney or hospitals or social media platforms. They’re a handful of rednecks… In fact they’re not anything anymore, would be my guess.
The progressive, activist Left appears (to me) to be moral panic personified. Just another “join or die,” authoritarian ideology. Once upon a time, being gay might get you fired. Being a woman might prevent that promotion. Big business used to be afraid of the wrath of the Christian Right, but it’s swung in the other direction now and the progressive Left wields that power no more gracefully than the Bible-clutching WASPs did before them.
So, that 60% figure is complete nonsense. And the rest of what I quoted is just you whining based on the number you made up.
Do you think trans people are going out and picking fights with conservatives? It’s the other way around. Conservatives are ginning up hate for people who pose no threat whatsoever to them. Calling them groomers and saying they mutilate kids. I listed the things Republicans are doing. You made up a number and acted persecuted because you have to know trans people exist.
This is completely false. Gay marriage was illegal in my state until 2015. There’s still Republicans fighting court battles because they’re such bigots that they can’t stand the idea of making a website for a notional gay person who they may one day encounter.
Do tell, who do you think runs Hollywood? Are triple parentheses involved?
No, they just threaten to bomb hospitals. And march in front of Disney with nazi (and DeSantis) flags.
Here’s where I point out that reddit kept the_donald around for years after they helped organize the unite the right nazi rally.
And now they’re cowed by bomb threats from the unhinged violent conservative followers of libsoftiktok.
Against whom?
This is why politics can’t not be a cesspit.
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