Yeah again you think yourself enlighted and knowing what is best for people without actually talking with or listening to them. That is a classical colonialist and racist mindset.
Also why do you claim that integration couldnt work, when people are allowed to maintain some of their teligion and culture? What you dont want is immigration. You want assimilation instead.
It would be racist and colonialist to move to another country and demand they change their ways. But that’s not what happening.
Some religious and cultural traditions are incompatible with the laws, culture and traditions in other countries. The opression of girls and women are deeply sexist traditions and it is certainly something I don’t think should spread to countries without these particular ideas.
I have no trouble with differences in traditions and religious beliefs as long as they don’t inherently include an opressive mindset. And the covering of female bodies definitely stems from an opressive mindset.
again you claim to know that all women or teenage girls wearing such aparrael do so because they are forced. You completely deny them the possibility to have choosen to wear this by themselves. And you do that on the basis that you believe your country and your values to be superior and everyone wanting the same for themselves. But that is simply not the case. You cannot adress the real issues of female opression by adding your own opression. Only by creating social services that women who suffer opression can reach out to and receive help for their individual situation, you can actually do something against it. But that is not what is suggested by the fench government and also quite telling, that people in favor of that ban do not consider the necessity to assess the situation individualls, because you entirely deny the possibility that there is muslim teenagers or women who are happy with following these traditions. Hence it is a colonial and racist mindset, because you still deny the individual people their individuality based on your assumption of your own superiority.
I rather think you believe it’s totally fine to force sexist traditions because you either live a sheltered, privileged life with no contact to these communities. Or you are from the community and believe your traditions to be superior.
The former seems more likely since you assume a 12 year old getting told by her parents she needs to hide her body in public because otherwise she tempts the men around her will go seek help.
my wife is no longer practising muslim, yet she was happy and chose to do so as a teenager. I trust her authority on issues in the muslim communities, be it in Europe
or the Middle East. And she also thinks it is a means of persecution of muslim teenagers like there is an idea like this every year in France to distract from actual political issues.
The struggle with conservatism and integration of religious people is an actual political issue. And if you want to draw from personal anecdotes: I live in a city with strong conservative Muslim communities. They have their thumbs on the women in these communities who are actively kept away from people of different cultures by various means.
It’s not persecution to draw a line how far religious beliefs can go and to protect your own cultural values. Giving these children a way to distance themselves from the overbearing influence of their parent’s religion is a chance and a sign to them that these rules don’t need to permeate all of their life.
Yeah again you think yourself enlighted and knowing what is best for people without actually talking with or listening to them. That is a classical colonialist and racist mindset.
Also why do you claim that integration couldnt work, when people are allowed to maintain some of their teligion and culture? What you dont want is immigration. You want assimilation instead.
It would be racist and colonialist to move to another country and demand they change their ways. But that’s not what happening.
Some religious and cultural traditions are incompatible with the laws, culture and traditions in other countries. The opression of girls and women are deeply sexist traditions and it is certainly something I don’t think should spread to countries without these particular ideas.
I have no trouble with differences in traditions and religious beliefs as long as they don’t inherently include an opressive mindset. And the covering of female bodies definitely stems from an opressive mindset.
again you claim to know that all women or teenage girls wearing such aparrael do so because they are forced. You completely deny them the possibility to have choosen to wear this by themselves. And you do that on the basis that you believe your country and your values to be superior and everyone wanting the same for themselves. But that is simply not the case. You cannot adress the real issues of female opression by adding your own opression. Only by creating social services that women who suffer opression can reach out to and receive help for their individual situation, you can actually do something against it. But that is not what is suggested by the fench government and also quite telling, that people in favor of that ban do not consider the necessity to assess the situation individualls, because you entirely deny the possibility that there is muslim teenagers or women who are happy with following these traditions. Hence it is a colonial and racist mindset, because you still deny the individual people their individuality based on your assumption of your own superiority.
I rather think you believe it’s totally fine to force sexist traditions because you either live a sheltered, privileged life with no contact to these communities. Or you are from the community and believe your traditions to be superior.
The former seems more likely since you assume a 12 year old getting told by her parents she needs to hide her body in public because otherwise she tempts the men around her will go seek help.
my wife is no longer practising muslim, yet she was happy and chose to do so as a teenager. I trust her authority on issues in the muslim communities, be it in Europe or the Middle East. And she also thinks it is a means of persecution of muslim teenagers like there is an idea like this every year in France to distract from actual political issues.
The struggle with conservatism and integration of religious people is an actual political issue. And if you want to draw from personal anecdotes: I live in a city with strong conservative Muslim communities. They have their thumbs on the women in these communities who are actively kept away from people of different cultures by various means.
It’s not persecution to draw a line how far religious beliefs can go and to protect your own cultural values. Giving these children a way to distance themselves from the overbearing influence of their parent’s religion is a chance and a sign to them that these rules don’t need to permeate all of their life.