i’m afraid that if NoA wins this, console manufacturers might start slapping DRM into their consoles, and therefore making them (legally) unemulatable and potentially discouraging development of modern console emulation.
now sure, this is a piracy sub, but i’m not sure if the yuzu devs are keen into piracy…
i also wonder if there’s any way to fight back. people who dump their legal copies are being screwed as well.
@SergioFLS@ardi60
I’m really concerned about the future of digital freedom. All big corporations are doing shit with governments to regulate and control the Internet, just for profits. Consumers and end users are abused, no governments care to preserve our freedom just to preserve the business of these big corporations like Nintendo, Disney, or Apple.
How to be optimistic for the future?
“No governments care” is an outright lie. Sure, there’s always more they could do, but the EU is at the forefront of regulating tech. And that’s a big conglomeration of countries and their respective governments.
@Crikeste When it comes to copyright laws, it feels like nothing’s really being done to look out for us, the consumers. Take the EU for example, they’re making YouTube use upload filters with Content ID. And in a lot of places, it’s still against the law to break DRM, even if you’re just making private copies. Honestly, I’m not so sure we can rely on governments to stand up to big corporations on our behalf.
All intellectual property laws should be reworked, but nothing will happen.
This, I think, is a problem that is caused by tech illiteracy in governments. I mean shit, even I barely understand the things you brought up, and I’m a millennial. The boomers (mostly) that run governments DEFINITELY don’t understand those things. At least, at the level someone like you may. And that’s a problem that needs to be solved, because ignorant people are easily taken advantage of.
I still believe my point stands, but I absolutely agree with you.
The Liberal government in Canada just announced “The Online Harms Act”, and a leading Canadian legal scholar/lawyer and information privacy advocate, Michael Geist, says that it’s actually good legislation (for the most part).
So, there’s movement in the right direction in other jurisdictions, too.
(Then again, our Senate is currently working on a bill to require age verification for porn, which we all know won’t work and is a massive potential privacy quagmire.)
Edit: lol, autocorrect “Lobster” instead of “Liberal”.
console manufacturers might start slapping DRM into their consoles
You been living under a rock bud? That’s literally the idea of a game console, it’s ultimately what separates console gaming from PC gaming.
now sure, this is a piracy sub, but i’m not sure if the yuzu devs are keen into piracy…
They literally sabotage their emulator so it can’t play certain games in case of leaks, they’re well past that point.
i also wonder if there’s any way to fight back. people who dump their legal copies are being screwed as well.
Could develop the emulators from a country that doesn’t respect intellectual property rights, it works well enough for Empress, obviously it would absolutely not work out for her if she tried to do what she does in America.
I know, it’s a reddit link, but OP does a good job summarizing and providing sources.
Anyway, videogames are specifically called out. Essentially, if you’re circumventing DRM for emulation for games that are still current and actively supported by their publishers/devs, it is not legal. However, if you’re circumventing DRM to repair/troubleshoot/diagnose your console, that’s kosher (whole right-to-repair stance). So it isn’t completely black and white. Yuzu devs will have a tough case ahead of them depending on what all evidence Nintendo has gathered.
Correct, but we don’t know what all has taken place over the years regarding Discord chats, forum posts, etc. where one of the devs might have accidentally incriminated themselves/the project. That’s what I meant by it depends what kind of evidence Nintendo has gathered. I’m assuming there’s a reason Nintendo waited as long as they have to go after them, seeing as Yuzu has been quite famous for a long time and it seems as of they’re not also going after Ryujinx (or maybe they’re not just yet?).
i’m afraid that if NoA wins this, console manufacturers might start slapping DRM into their consoles, and therefore making them (legally) unemulatable and potentially discouraging development of modern console emulation.
now sure, this is a piracy sub, but i’m not sure if the yuzu devs are keen into piracy…
i also wonder if there’s any way to fight back. people who dump their legal copies are being screwed as well.
@SergioFLS @ardi60
I’m really concerned about the future of digital freedom. All big corporations are doing shit with governments to regulate and control the Internet, just for profits. Consumers and end users are abused, no governments care to preserve our freedom just to preserve the business of these big corporations like Nintendo, Disney, or Apple.
How to be optimistic for the future?
“No governments care” is an outright lie. Sure, there’s always more they could do, but the EU is at the forefront of regulating tech. And that’s a big conglomeration of countries and their respective governments.
@Crikeste When it comes to copyright laws, it feels like nothing’s really being done to look out for us, the consumers. Take the EU for example, they’re making YouTube use upload filters with Content ID. And in a lot of places, it’s still against the law to break DRM, even if you’re just making private copies. Honestly, I’m not so sure we can rely on governments to stand up to big corporations on our behalf.
All intellectual property laws should be reworked, but nothing will happen.
We can, but a lot more flags need to feature a hammer and sickle for that.
This, I think, is a problem that is caused by tech illiteracy in governments. I mean shit, even I barely understand the things you brought up, and I’m a millennial. The boomers (mostly) that run governments DEFINITELY don’t understand those things. At least, at the level someone like you may. And that’s a problem that needs to be solved, because ignorant people are easily taken advantage of.
I still believe my point stands, but I absolutely agree with you.
The Liberal government in Canada just announced “The Online Harms Act”, and a leading Canadian legal scholar/lawyer and information privacy advocate, Michael Geist, says that it’s actually good legislation (for the most part).
So, there’s movement in the right direction in other jurisdictions, too.
(Then again, our Senate is currently working on a bill to require age verification for porn, which we all know won’t work and is a massive potential privacy quagmire.)
Edit: lol, autocorrect “Lobster” instead of “Liberal”.
Bro, as a person living in a state that has imposed age verification for porn, it doesn’t work. At fucking ALL. Lmao
Either websites don’t give a fuck (xvideos.com) or they have outright removed themselves from the state (pornhub.com and all it’s sisters).
Not to mention that Twitter is practically a porn browser now.
You been living under a rock bud? That’s literally the idea of a game console, it’s ultimately what separates console gaming from PC gaming.
They literally sabotage their emulator so it can’t play certain games in case of leaks, they’re well past that point.
Could develop the emulators from a country that doesn’t respect intellectual property rights, it works well enough for Empress, obviously it would absolutely not work out for her if she tried to do what she does in America.
… start?
Well switch already have DRM. Except circumventing DRM for archiving purpose is totally legal. This lawsuit is groundless.
Circumventing DRM for archiving is not totally legal in all circumstances: https://www.reddit.com/r/emulation/comments/9rfezi/us_copyright_office_gives_the_okay_to_circumvent/
I know, it’s a reddit link, but OP does a good job summarizing and providing sources.
Anyway, videogames are specifically called out. Essentially, if you’re circumventing DRM for emulation for games that are still current and actively supported by their publishers/devs, it is not legal. However, if you’re circumventing DRM to repair/troubleshoot/diagnose your console, that’s kosher (whole right-to-repair stance). So it isn’t completely black and white. Yuzu devs will have a tough case ahead of them depending on what all evidence Nintendo has gathered.
Yeah, you are right and I was somewhat misinformed.
That been said, yuzu isn’t the one doing circumventing is it? It doesn’t provide tools for dumping games or anything. It’s just an emulator.
Correct, but we don’t know what all has taken place over the years regarding Discord chats, forum posts, etc. where one of the devs might have accidentally incriminated themselves/the project. That’s what I meant by it depends what kind of evidence Nintendo has gathered. I’m assuming there’s a reason Nintendo waited as long as they have to go after them, seeing as Yuzu has been quite famous for a long time and it seems as of they’re not also going after Ryujinx (or maybe they’re not just yet?).