Please start your comments with the following question answered at the top:

“Will you vote for Biden in the 2024 election?” [Y/N]

  • CluelessLemmyng@lemmy.sdf.org
    43·
    9 months ago

    Even if there was another candidate, I 100% guarantee you that they would still support Israel. It’s not a candidate issue, it’s an American policy issue, one that can only really change by getting new blood in politics. And let’s face it, it’s not exactly like new blood is lining up to get into politics.

    So… Fuck your single-voter minded argument and look at the bigger picture.

    • FuglyDuck@lemmy.worldEnglish
      8·
      9 months ago

      things biden has done fuck all on:

      • voter rights
      • protecting civil liberties.
      • equality.
      • get private equity out of elections
      • stop israel. (and yes, he can at least change course here.)
      • abortion access. I mean, seriously. They’re saying embryos are kids now.

      Things he’s not done enough on:

      • Domestic Terrorism. Literally all he did was direct a useless AG and DoJ to pursue it more. That’s it.
      • consequences for Jan 6 to the leadership behind it- that is Trump and Trump’s inner circle.
      • police reform.
      • Climate change (seriously, most of this is just corpo subsidies.)
      • Aid to Ukraine

      I mean, are there really any issues he’s actually peformed to expectations on?

      • JC1@lemmy.ca
        5·
        9 months ago

        I agree you have it bad there. Unfortunately in politics we have to vote for the least bad option. On all the issue listed though, a lot is due to congress, mainly because people decided that republicans and their idea of not governing is preferable to democrats. Personally, I know the options are very bad, but I the sliver of democracy is still worth it to try to preserve in order to have the option to influence the next time around.

        • doctordevice@lemm.ee
          4·
          9 months ago

          And yet I’m sure you would happily throw tons of those up as a reason Trump must stay out of office. Which is it?

          • Eccitaze@yiffit.net
            3·
            9 months ago

            It’s almost as if structural flaws in our government mean Trump would have a more cooperative congress and the willingness to outright ignore the rule of law to accomplish his goals…

            • doctordevice@lemm.ee
              4·
              9 months ago

              It’s almost as if the Democrats want to accomplish nothing while claiming they’re doing everything they can.

              And let’s not act like the presidential candidate has no effect on the races themselves. Biden being a milquetoast neoliberal head of the party was not what we needed to retake Congress. And it’s not going to help in 2024 either. God, Democratic apologists are the worst hypocrites.

              “You have to vote for Biden or Trump will do all of these things!”

              “Biden is bad on those issues too.”

              “Something something it doesn’t count for him.”

        • Cataphract@lemmy.ml
          1·
          9 months ago

          I just want to say this “litmus test” bullshit you’ve presented is close to the grossest thing I’ve seen on here. People have fought and died for the right to have private votes, your “However” shows prejudice and the dangers of political identities corrupting normal conversations.

          • Ekybio@lemmy.worldOP
            1·
            9 months ago

            A right you will loose, if you dont vote Biden this time and let Trump win.

            Political Identities corrupting a conversation? There is an open fascist running for president, and some people STILL wont stand in the way of that.

            There is no normal conversation anymore!

            • Cataphract@lemmy.ml
              1·
              9 months ago

              You do realize the irony in saying I will lose a right if I don’t give up the right to my vote? I wish everyone would just be honest about this conversation, if you presented it as continued Oligarchy vs Fascism you might actually persuade some people instead of pretending it’s still a democracy.

              But regardless, you asking people to present their voting preference for how you conduct a conversation is just insulting and dangerous. This is when extreme ideologies look identical and I can’t tell which side people are presenting.

              • Ekybio@lemmy.worldOP
                1·
                9 months ago

                Oh the “present your voting choice” is an effective-filter for trolls who want to both-sides-bad the argument presented. And to trigger some guys who REALLY dont understand that voting is often, sadly, a strategic choice that does not benefit from high-minded morals in the face of Fascism.

                You can go around on other comment section and ask them if they will vote for Biden or not. And see how people choke on their pride, begging to be the smuggest guy on the train…

                It also cuts straight to the point: You either vote for the bad choice, Biden in this case, to delay fascism and give Democracy more time to live. Or the GOP more to crumble.

                Or you dont. And loose it all.

                Call it informed-simplicity if you will, because sometimes the world is just that in the end. Simple.

                You vote for the lesser evil at the ballot. Always.

                And after that duty is done, you do the REAL political work by organising. Always.

                No change will be made at the ballot. That is just to buy us more time to unionise, educate comming generations and build communities.