President Biden attended a fundraiser in San Francisco late Wednesday where protesters showed up calling for an end to US aid for Israel and a cease-fire in its ongoing war in Gaza.
Hamas continues reflecting legitimacy of Israel, it never recognized it. Read any encyclopedia entry on Hamas. Sure, they would like to get all the land according to 1967 agreement, but they do not promise to recognize Israel even then.
I reject the legitimacy of Israel. It was built on terrorism, won a few wars, had a chance to create a stable solution and passed, and is now an Apartheid state at best.
Not recognizing Israel doesn’t mean anything else. It’s the diplomatic version of pretending someone is invisible.
It denies right to exist. It is not “invisibility game”. It has direct goal to erase the state and people in it. Hamas actions directly confirm it. For years it attacked civilian population with the goal of eradicate it. They are openly stating this the same multiple times themselves. They are showing it in their murderous actions and you pretend that it is some kind of “invisibility game”? Just Google “Hamas statements about Israel right to exist”. They want to physically destroy it. Jezus!
Edit: Also, your double standards appalling: you reject Israel legitimacy because 70years ago they used terrorism tactics to get rid of Brits. But you seems totaly OK with Hamas today.
I have never said I was okay with terrorists. You can have those words back. And the charter means exactly what it says. We didn’t commit genocide when we denied Saddam’s Iraq or Hitler’s Germany an existence. And not recognizing a state has a known international meaning. No amount of word salad trying to conflate terrorist attacks with genocide can undo that.
The goal of Hamas, stated many times, is to destroy Israel. Hamas actions are terrorism. Hamas goal is genocide aimed against one specific group of people. Your example of WW2 is actually a good one. It was not a genocide despite of the fact that Allies bombed essentially to zero cities like Dresden. Allies goal was to remove Nazi from power. Israel goal is to remove Hamas from power. So, what’s the difference?
The difference is Dresden was a one off war crime. We didn’t keep doing it to every urban area, we didn’t corral civilians, and we certainly didn’t deny them food aid.
Based on how dead set you are on them killing Israelis, are you sure it’s not just you wanting to kill Israelis?
You sure about all that? Hunger within German population was present, the red army (part of the Allies) was known for rapes, and Israel did not bomb to the extend Allies bombed Dresden, not even close. The civilian losses in WW2 were massive. The cities after WW2 were in ruins, and both sides (with exception of Paris) did not hesitate to bomb cities if there were military targets including military manufacturing facilities.
Yes war is ugly, but not every war is genocide, most of them are not.
Hamas continues reflecting legitimacy of Israel, it never recognized it. Read any encyclopedia entry on Hamas. Sure, they would like to get all the land according to 1967 agreement, but they do not promise to recognize Israel even then.
I reject the legitimacy of Israel. It was built on terrorism, won a few wars, had a chance to create a stable solution and passed, and is now an Apartheid state at best.
Not recognizing Israel doesn’t mean anything else. It’s the diplomatic version of pretending someone is invisible.
It denies right to exist. It is not “invisibility game”. It has direct goal to erase the state and people in it. Hamas actions directly confirm it. For years it attacked civilian population with the goal of eradicate it. They are openly stating this the same multiple times themselves. They are showing it in their murderous actions and you pretend that it is some kind of “invisibility game”? Just Google “Hamas statements about Israel right to exist”. They want to physically destroy it. Jezus!
Edit: Also, your double standards appalling: you reject Israel legitimacy because 70years ago they used terrorism tactics to get rid of Brits. But you seems totaly OK with Hamas today.
I have never said I was okay with terrorists. You can have those words back. And the charter means exactly what it says. We didn’t commit genocide when we denied Saddam’s Iraq or Hitler’s Germany an existence. And not recognizing a state has a known international meaning. No amount of word salad trying to conflate terrorist attacks with genocide can undo that.
The goal of Hamas, stated many times, is to destroy Israel. Hamas actions are terrorism. Hamas goal is genocide aimed against one specific group of people. Your example of WW2 is actually a good one. It was not a genocide despite of the fact that Allies bombed essentially to zero cities like Dresden. Allies goal was to remove Nazi from power. Israel goal is to remove Hamas from power. So, what’s the difference?
The difference is Dresden was a one off war crime. We didn’t keep doing it to every urban area, we didn’t corral civilians, and we certainly didn’t deny them food aid.
Based on how dead set you are on them killing Israelis, are you sure it’s not just you wanting to kill Israelis?
You sure about all that? Hunger within German population was present, the red army (part of the Allies) was known for rapes, and Israel did not bomb to the extend Allies bombed Dresden, not even close. The civilian losses in WW2 were massive. The cities after WW2 were in ruins, and both sides (with exception of Paris) did not hesitate to bomb cities if there were military targets including military manufacturing facilities.
Yes war is ugly, but not every war is genocide, most of them are not.
Israel absolutely went to Dresden levels. They’ve even been caught doing demolition with their ground troops just to make sure.
And who the fuck is talking about Russia? Did I miss something? Is D.C. now the Kremlin?