Lol! I see ole’ Ziq is still up to their same ole’ Stasi-esque tricks - such as using an army of sock puppets to gaslight, disrupt and hijack anarchist spaces.
I have my own problems with Anark - essentially the same problems I have with most YT leftists - but Ziq is another matter entirely.
For your own sanity - stay away from anything that even smells of Ziq’s influence.
whats up with that guy? i only know him from his critique of anarchy-communism on the anarchist library.
whats up with that guy?
I’d say… a lot. About as toxic a creep as online leftism can produce - if it wasn’t for the fact that I witnessed their sustained pathological shitfuckery on r/anarchism back during the day you wouldn’t be able to convince me that they weren’t an AI bot specifically designed for the purpose.
I don’t like Anark. He seems to think there’s only one true anarchism and it’s to do exactly what he says. The guy creeps me out
I’ve read all of this and still don’t understand who’s mad at who for what.
It doesn’t seem to have much to do with anarchist theory, though.
The jacketing, or prisons?
i’ve been off social media for 7 months what the hell did i miss
It’s a good thing anarchists aren’t really on Twitter.
Crying honypot while using Twitter and YT is quite ironic
Anark is an idiot who supports what would basically be anarcho-cops, anarcho-bureaucrats, and anarcho-cia. So not surprised he’d support building prisons. Bro’s basically just another Vaush. Some influencer larping an anarchist. Screenshot pulled from Constructing the Revolution by Anark. It is on the Anarchist Library.
I have my own problems with Anark, but what he is suggesting here is no different than the methods used by the CNT-FAI and the Makhnovists for intelligence work - except that Anark’s version is quite a bit more transparent. You want to call them “idiots” and “larpers,” too?
If you thought that revolutions are waged by holding hands and singing kumbaya then perhaps the business of revolution isn’t FOR you.
Is there a reason for improper contextualized excerption? Anark is exposing the need for Intelligence DURING A REVOLUTION, not after.
Are you seriously opposing the idea of antiauthoritarian action is to be ignorant of what authoritarians are doing‽Because power begets power. Once you have a secret police installed, whoever controls the police has the power over everything else, therefore no longer anarchy.
It all reads as larping
so, your antiauthoritarian action is to deempower revolutionaries during a revolution…
the paradox of power means nothing to you…I dunno bout this chief. you sure you’re anarchist?
Because pre-approving a secret police is not anarchist, distrusting everyone in the very society you’re trying to build, it’s not anarchy, cementing power around policing is not anarchy. Plus, the most important point is this: No revolution is happening right now, so the question is moot.
Just be honest with yourself and admit you love secret police and become a tankie.
nowhere in his essay is he promoting a “secret police.” Intelligence is acquisition of enemy knowledge. For revolutions, that is anti-authoritarian action.
No revolution is happening right now, so the question is moot.
Seems you’re missing a lot of European news.
Just be honest with yourself and admit you love secret police and become a tankie.
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After reading the comment thread linked in the source, damn. Harassing someone with alts and a fake ai-slop osint report just because they disapprove of the concept of prisons is… wild.
The morbid curiosity might get the better of me and I might go look what other wild takes this so-called “anark” has. Too bad that Shitter sucks to browse without an account.
I was warming up to anark but this behavior made me lose some goodwill. I don’t know what if they’re behind this expose but given how flimsy it is, they should have not spread it around without doing due diligence.
ELI5 but also, how the hell do you read these posts?
- Anark accuses theanarchistlibrary.org of compromise, because it included a ziq essay.
- Ziq is defending his stance on anti rehabilitation & reparation isolation: i.e. prisons/camps.
- @A404@lemmy.dbzer0.com is learning fast how anti-anarchist ziq is.
- you are here.
Twitter nesting, quote-retweets, is hard to read if you don’t know the chronological order it lays:
Thank you!
I think it’s worth noting that the report exposing ziq as running a honeypot is dubious at best. The website only has that one report and an article about that report. Ziq accused the report of being ai slop, which I think may well be the case as this site just happened to pop up. Ziq also wrote a lengthy list of (alleged, I haven’t gone through them) errors in the report in the comments of the post linked in the OP here. I have no clue about the personalities of the people involved, but in my opinion the essay by Ziq in the anarchist library talking about how prisons have no place in anarchism has nothing wrong with it in and of itself.
ziq is lying, because Anark has¹ always been antiprisons.
I am also having trouble recalling why I don’t go to raddle. But I remember a comrade mentioning me not to go. The logo of the software does have a swastika dogwhistle.
I am leaning on ziq BPR. Anark’s evidence.
CX ¹ updated w/Anark’s own antiprison essays in the library.
something ziq fanatics seem to omit.If the essay by zig which apparently started this feud is wrong on such a fundamental level and Anark is in fact against prisons (I don’t know his takes), wouldn’t the best course of action be to focus on that instead of accusing him of running a honeypot (while himself using twitter and youtube)?
The dogwhistle seems pretty far fetched tbh. They also have this nice picture on the projects community page:
ziq called that “evidence” AI generated copjacketing slop, and given that the site has just that one report, it doesn’t seem too credible. The list of factual errors in that report written out by ziq in the comments linked in the OP here is also quite lengthy.
It’s just quoting Anark’s own words: https://www.reddit.com/r/Postleftanarchism/comments/1viq2uy/yes_youtube_personality_anark_wants_to_build/
This is just what the CNT-FAI did with POWs during the Spanish Civil War. Whether that is a prison, I would say, is debatable.
The CNT-FAI having prisoners of war while under attack by fascist forces isn’t the same as making plans to build prisons in your ideal society.
And they are still prisons, they don’t become not-prisons when anarchists build them.
Thats not the argument I was making. But whatever, it still seems like you are admitting there is nuance to this even if Anark is wrong. Which was at the end of the day, all I was trying to say
Did you even bother to look up the context of this excerpt?
Yeah a prison with a focus on rehabilitation is still a prison. Nordic prisons sure are nicer than american ones for example, but they’re still prisons and to not call them that is just silly. In the video the only difference to a nordic prison is that it’s managed by a smaller scale community.
prison with a focus on rehabilitation is still a prison
anark: all laws and enumerated measures for reparations and rehabilitation not expressed in the constitution would be outlined. […] Justice: repairing the wrongs that have been done and preventing further ones from being committed
The distinction anark argues is that there are outliers that wish injustice that do not desire to reparate & rehabilitate, what would be the corrective action to take? Compost, servitute, banishment?
Reparations centers are not prisons. Contemporary correctional facilities are slave plantations. So how do we move from private prisons to correcting behavior?
The distinction anark argues is that there are outliers that wish injustice that do not desire to reparate & rehabilitate, what would be the corrective action to take? Compost, servitute, banishment?
And does he propose something that doesn’t involve locking people up? I’ll note that plenty of indigenous peoples managed just fine without prisons before colonialism showed up.
By the definition of “prison” you’re using, even rehabilitative facilities like nordic prisons wouldn’t be called prisons. It’s a bad definition. I prefer this one:
a place of confinement especially for lawbreakers
specifically : an institution (such as one under state jurisdiction) for confinement of persons convicted of serious crimes
Anyways, the semantics are irrelevant if we focus on those outliers you mention, since reparation and rehabilitation would be out of the picture.
And does he propose something that doesn’t involve locking people up?
He does… we both outlined some examples…. I am asking you what corrective course do you think might work better.
indigenous peoples managed just fine without prisons before colonialism showed up.
a place of confinement especially for lawbreakers
specifically : an institution (such as one under state jurisdiction) for confinement of persons convicted of serious crimesBy these definitions, bedrooms and closets constitute as prisons, when timing out/disciplining children. I am unsure how else do you see corrective justice¹ could take place. Wrong doings should be corrected, or not?
¹Anark’s definition.
Anark’s comment sound like liberalism.
How so?
Yeah I’m not debating the utility of prisons with an anark fan. It’s a direct quote and you can agree with Anark’s opinion or not, but disagreeing with it is not grounds to copjacket people using AI slop.
Nowhere have I stated I am a fan of anyone here. I am exposing contexts you and comrade_spood@quokk.au seem to be omitting off your excerpts. I quoted the whole essays, with contexts provided.
disagreeing with it is not grounds to copjacket people using AI slop.
what are you talking about, David’s article‽
“David” is an AI slop bot that generated nonsense that has been shown to be nonsense, stop linking to it and spreading the copjacket. There’s no lower form of life than a copjacketer.
The context doesn’t magically change prisons into not-prisons.
Let’s assume you’re right, David’s article is slop. Ziq’s authoritarianism is blatantly reviewable in the Internet Archive. That includes his copjacketing ban messages.
The context doesn’t magically change prisons into not-prisons.
How do you then reform wrong doers?
I surmise Anark meant to do both when citing David Ruminski article: show how ziq acts in bad faith, fundamentally deceives, and bad jackets all the time. By pointing out raddle is a “honeypot” he’s ensuring his audience and us be aware how counter-anarchist ziq is. He did both things asserting the inclusion of his essay in the library maybe a compromise in the administration. Basically, mirror theanarchistlibrary asap.
The gay icon is quite different than Achillean or LGBTQIA+ pride flag. Pretty sure ziq means “gay” as “lame” here.
good thing website archives exist. we can ascertain what is true and what are libels.
The Postmill developer Emma is a trans woman you ridiculous person.
Then where’s the “this powered by 🏳️⚧️ magic” icon???
Nothing else addresses ziq’s blatant authoritarian usage of raddle. 🏳️⚧️ software or not, ziq usage is authoritarian.What is wrong with you?
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