I debated posting this, but it’s a lazy, rainy Saturday and this is the hot topic, why not?
- Which mods/admins were being Power Tripping Bastards? AdmiralPatrick
- What sanction did they impose? Community ban. Additionally, three of my communities were on the tesseract ban list.
I was the one of the first downvotes on the latest post here: https://lemmy.today/post/57202811 which probably instigated the ban.
Aaaand I was linking to the Admiral’s rant all over lemmy, which may have been part of it.
Now, this kinda sucks because I liked tesseract up until I couldn’t mod my own communities anymore, finding out later that they were on the ban list. Of course when a locked post comes up trying to make sense of the community blocks, calling them unstable and unmoderated, I’m gonna downvote that shit.
My username wasn’t even on the original ban list, just those communities.
There’s nothing toxic or unmoderated about anything I run. Not to mention that one of those communities has barely over 100 subscribers and exists just to post a few daily news articles from independent, Canadian sources.
I know nothing about the ban list makes any sense, but blocking three small news communities with posts that rarely get more than two comments and twenty upvotes is crazy. He would have had to search and dig and dig just to find them.
It’s extra nuts considering my brandnewsentence community gets wayyyy more feisty comments than the rest put together, and it’s not blocked.
So there’s your drama, it’s a poor consolation prize for the loss of a pretty good front end. I’m looking forward to the fork and any updates on the ban list.
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up until I couldn’t mod my own communities anymore, finding out later that they were on the ban list.
Considering how wholesome and cool your communities are, this is absolutely bonkers to me. You don’t mod any communities remotely offensive or extreme, wtf? And they obviously aren’t unmoderated either.
The crashout is been real. It’s nice to see pretty much everyone joining together to say secret blacklists are unacceptable
I was on the verge of leaving the fediverse because of all the stupid instance politics and tankie horseshit. But it is very refreshinging to see everyone agree that this dude is a turd.
Watching him double down on this and claim he was justified is insane to me. Dude has completely destroyed any FOSS rep he had, and for what?
I was on the verge of leaving the fediverse because of all the stupid instance politics and tankie horseshit.
Does curating your feed not suffice?
Mood. That kind of thing was low-key why I gave up on trying to persist on reddit. Doesn’t matter as much if it’s just one app here but it’s a shitty precedent to bring into a place where people are championing transparency
This is like the third(?) time that some unskilled programmer has forked Lemmy because they were upset that, somehow, leftists exist on a platform built by leftists.
Inevitably, they “fix” the situation by implementing fresh liberal ideas like heavy censorship without even respecting their users right to choose. They just can’t help but wanting to be Reddit landlords.
Turbolibs keep crashing out trying to suppress us in our own spaces, when no one forced them to be here, and no one’s stopping them from running their own spaces with our open source code. In fact we’ve long encouraged it.
Also, we’re not trying to suppress them in their own spaces (and certainly not crashing out over them), so they can’t claim do be doing this in retaliation.
Grifting off the Left: A classic Liberal maneuver
I just read the post you linked to to try and see the explanation for using secret blocklists…
And it is just typical standard fascist arguments.
Talking about how some communities are dangerous, calling users “petulant children” and just giving clear authoritarian talking points about how how the dev knows best.
It is completely unhinged.
Now, obviously, we all have come across communities and users that we prefer wasn’t a part of the feddiverse, that is fine, we are allowed to think that.
However, you can’t go around and arbitrarily blocking users and communities for others, and especially not using a secret list.
At the very least, if you’re gonna abuse your influence with a double-secret shadowban list, you gotta keep that to the worst of the worst - so only assholes would even notice.
This dunderfuck filtered the word “perchance.”
I’m not sure if this is the reason, but perchance is an AI image and text generator. The devs of perchance have a community on Lemmy
people didn’t like my post saying it was their fault and no reflection on why people were upset?? It must just be people with a grudge against me
But yeah this entire saga is someone upset people don’t like having things hidden from them in code especially when it effects everything and users have absolutely no control
He seems to think the people “brigading” him are the so called “toxic” people he tried to exclude in the first place. He hasn’t clued in that most of us (probably) are pissed off for exactly the reasons you say. Being called a toxic malcontent with a community full of vitriol isn’t great.
What does AdmiralPatrick and PirateSoftware have in common?
Willing to go out of the way to anger anyone that would be be supportive?
@Wren@lemmy.today Heres a fork with the banlist removed. https://github.com/db0/tesseract
Thank you kindly.
You are welcome :>
Lol. Lmao, even.
Bro is genuinely furious that nobody sees him as the savior of the fediverse guiding the normies the way his own ego does.
edit: okay, I admit, I was wrong… There are at least a few of you.
This is a different person from the PieFed dev, right? If I had nickel for each time a dev of a popular fediverse software tried to sneak secret censorship into their software… well you get it. Admittedly this one seems way worse than the piefed one. That was reversed, right?
I just don’t get how anyone would think users would want or even be remotely ok with this.
Oh yeah PTB, obviously. Banning for downvoting a single post has got to be one of the worst reasons imaginable.
The piefed stuff has never been secret. If you set up a piefed instance, the options and toggles are right there in the admin settings, and can be turned off by the admins.
Opinionated fediverse devs writing apps that create the environment they want is a good thing when the bells and whistles they add in can easily be identrified, toggled and adjusted by end users and admins. This is what piefed does. Rimu coding the sort of thing he wants to use is better than Rimu coding nothing because he’s not creating something meaningful to him.
It’s very different to the tesseract situation, in which the blacklists were obfuscated, so that people wouldn’t even realise they were missing content, and didn’t know how to disable the blacklist even if they did realise it existed.
I do feel like piefed should disclose what settings are enabled on the server we’re using. Many of us came to the fediverse to get away from algorithms.
It does disclose it to the admins. I’m not sure how you would disclose it to general users? It’s not really a fediverse norm to expose admin settings to everyone. Though now that you say it, that might be a good thing to normalise?
What should be exposed is something of a balancing act. Instance federation is exposed. The slur filter isn’t, presumably so people don’t game it. I think history shows that the lead Lemmy devs don’t in principle object to exposure, but practicality does factor in.
Transparency of things that can affect a user’s experience is always a good thing to normalize to me. Maybe these admin setting values could be exposed with the API so apps and the server finder sites can show them?
I didn’t hear about the piefed thing getting reversed. Great, if so.
But yeah, different person.
No idea what this is all about, so I read whomever’s “elephant in the room” post on the tesseracts sub, and good god it sounds like someone in the throes of a mental health problem.
TLDR: they were secretly censoring the Fediverse and silencing human rights activists via a Lemmy client frontend
indeed. and everyone dogpiling to make the situation worse.
Patrick fucked around and found out the hard way why being a self-righteous, pompous douche doesn’t bode well for the success of his projects.
Oh no, a fascist is seeing that everyone despises them for their actions they tried to hide :(
It’s funny that this guy got all sorts of support when he originally “left” and slagged off lemmy. What’s that quote about thinking you’re always surrounded by assholes?
You know what the Streisand effect is? That’s what all of this bitching about Tesseract is doing. Stoooooppppp
The Streisand effect is the phenomenon in which an attempt to hide, remove, or censor information results in the unintended consequence of the effort instead increasing public awareness of the information.
I’m not trying to hide information and I want to bring awareness to it.
Oops, I think I confused it with something else or I misunderstood it lol. My bad.
I was trying to say bitching about an asshat dev is only bringing his wanted attention to his project.
Sure, negative attention.
If a few future users decide they like arbitrary bans and a lack of transparency, I hope they find their happy place.
Sometimes any attention is better than none, you know?
literally the only thing i know about tesseract is that it sucks and the guy who made it is a baby. i have no reason to seek it out or use it.
It was pretty great, which is why this sucks more. I liked the layout and the extra mod tools.
That’s more of a “there is no such thing as bad publicity” angle to the situation.
Not really, in the sense, that they had already been in control and responsible for the parts of the project; this was not something they wanted made known.
It’s not hard to read between the lines. They didn’t git commit the JSON file in gzip format to save space. They did it to obfuscate it. Their change commits never mention changes to that file because they don’t want attention drawn to it.
I din’t think anybody want to use an tool that may censor them from whatever dumb reason the creator deemed valid
This logic doesn’t apply as the Streisand effect is when someone does something shitty, and then tries to cover it up and it leads to more people finding out about it leading to more people thinking what that person did was shitty.
The Streisand effect does not equal all publicity is good publicity.
Trump raping children and then covering it up is the Streisand effect. Saying trump raped children doesn’t promote Trump.
Saying it while he gets away with it and gloats may.
He’s gloating while retreating with his tail between his legs. And the move people that know what they tried to do, the better.
Evidently you don’t
