• Rhoeri@lemmy.world
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    I’m not on either side of the argument, but would guess a good argument would be that fish need to eat other fish in order to survive as it’s their only source of food. We don’t. Provenly.

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      What’s wrong with fish eating plastics we dump in the waters. Are they anti plastic or something???

      /S

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        That’s right! Oil spill is full of calories! Why don’t they just slurp it up so they can contain a lot of fish oil!

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      A person does not need to eat meat.

      People absolutely do need to eat meat, specifically cooked meat in order to be intelligent. It’s what made cavemen smarter than other animals. Also the recent rise in average height and IQ from good nutrition is in part directly related to cheap meat from factory farming.

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          Except in most cases we can’t. You may be able to, in which case, good job, but meat is much cheaper per quantity and quality of nutrients, not to mention people like me, whose only real source of dietary iron is meat.

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            Iron is just a mineral, where do you think the cows get it? Plenty of plants have iron. Meat is also typically a lot more expensive than rice and beans. Like you want to eat meat, that’s cool, just stop acting like it’s for your health when meat is literally a carcinogen.

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              Nails have iron, try eating one of those! The air is mostly Nitrogen, why do plants even need N2 in the soil?

              It’s basic fucking science that nutrients take different forms which can be absorbed differently.

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              1kg of chicken breast meat costs me less than 5 USD and covers multiple days of meals. To get equivalent nutrients out of plants would cost me way more than that.

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                wtf you can? Where I am chicken breast is USD $11.64 per kg!

                Compare that to beans. Where I live I can get a kg of dried pinto beans for $3.50, and with 67% as much protein per serving as chicken it would cost $5.25 to get the same amount of protein as a kg of chicken breast.

                What’s the price of 1kg of dried beans where you live? That’d be a more apt comparison.

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                  Depends a lot on brand and quality, but I’d guess the average is somewhat close to yours, at $3.00 US. Beans are a major source of protein for most people, where I live. Doesn’t help me, though - I don’t much mind the flavor, but they make me incredibly nauseous.

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                    Beans are just about the best source of plant protein, yeah. Grains and nuts have protein too, but nuts are definitely pricier and grains have pretty bad carb/protein ratios. If you can’t eat beans for whatever reason it’d be a serious commitment to be vegan! No shame in that.

                    As an aside, I actually have nothing against eating bugs like crickets and mealworms etc. It makes me a bad vegan but I don’t really care about whether or not bugs have feelings lol

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        According to that logic, Inuit people should be able to outsmart all of us - but they don’t seem to be smarter or dumber than the rest of the human population.

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          Access to meat (thus better nutrition) increasing doesn’t imply meat makes you Megamind. That’s a very poor argument in bad faith.

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            The minute you start blathering about a “rise in IQ” you are making a “poor argument in bad faith.”

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              Because? Things don’t become truthful just because you said them.

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                  Right… let’s check his comment point by point, shall we?

                  A person does not need to eat meat.

                  I believe you’ll agree with this without the need to further explain it.

                  People absolutely do need to eat meat

                  This is strictly true, in our current context. The food production chain simply cannot cope with the abrupt loss of a main source of nutrients in most places. Particularly when 'muricans are throwing away up to half of their food.

                  specifically cooked meat in order to be intelligent.

                  Non-statement statement of dubious quality. Should be rewritten.

                  It’s what made cavemen smarter than other animals.

                  That’s invariably the most accepted explanation to homo sapiens evolution

                  Also the recent rise in average height and IQ from good nutrition is in part directly related to cheap meat from factory farming.

                  Meat provides very dense nutritional value, I’m sure you’ll agree - it’s why carnivores exist to begin with. We know, factually, that nutritional quality directly correlates with better health, both in body and mind. We also know that meat can be VERY cheap, as long as you’re not looking for “grade A elite baby wagyuu” stuff.

                  Where, exactly, is your point explicit?

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                    That’s invariably the most accepted explanation to homo sapiens evolution

                    Oh really? Accepted by whom?

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        You are absolutely 100% wrong on this. And so wrong that it’s hilarious. Please don’t reproduce.

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          Nice argument, you sure showed him! Oh, wait, you didn’t - there was no substance to your reply. I suggest actually choosing a point of contention and explaining your perspective next time.