Just in case someone doesn’t know, LLM in this case means “Large Language Model”, which is just the technical term for things like ChatGPT.
Just in case someone doesn’t know, LLM in this case means “Large Language Model”, which is just the technical term for things like ChatGPT.
Can you develop ADHD as an adult or have stress induced ADHD?
Is that a thing? I think I have that.
Pre-tldr update: if you believe you are suffering from a disease, a disorder, or is otherwise feeling not well, please go see a doctor. This is the internet, we’re not qualified to provide medical advice, and would prescribe horse dewormer for shits and giggles, if it was in our powers.
No, and I dare the people saying yes to present a single article on pubmed to back it up!
Tldr: I’m not saying that you don’t have ADHD, just that you may have the correlation a bit mixed up.
What you can have is a situation where you’ve grown up with ADHD, but you have managed the symptoms. There are various strategies one can employ, and usually you’ll develop them by yourself. But with a attentive parent, you can have been taught some strategies as well. Then as an adult you have experienced some stress, and that stress have made you less able to apply your management strategies, and now your existing ADHD is showing.
For some it may show with similar symptoms as depression. Personally I’ve been in three or four different therapeutic processes for depression. I’ve been medicated at least twice, and have seen three(?) psychologists. Guess what, none of it actually worked.
A key part of an ADHD diagnosis is determining whether you exhibited symptoms as a child. I got diagnosed in my late 30s/early 40s, and I had to have my parent fill out a form about my childhood behavior 30 years ago. At least in Danish medicine, you cannot be diagnosed with ADHD if you didn’t present the symptoms before adulthood.
Why so condescending?
Here you go
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33692893/
Results are inconclusive because a lack of research.
A lack of research doesn’t equal a lack of total existence. Just because they don’t have enough to go on, doesn’t mean it’s not a thing.
The brain still isn’t fully understood anywhere in the world and those who say it is, are lying.
The fact is, behavior is one of the worst “Illnesses” to treat and if the symptoms align and are treated the exact same way and the behavior never goes away or can be effectively fixed, then what exactly is the difference?
Am I going to shun someone that has experienced the same things as me but the reasons they experience these things are different? No. That doesn’t add up.
Firstly, without delving deeper than the abstract, the linked article only seek to assess the prevalence of adult diagnoses, not whether the people exhibited symptoms in childhood. So at first glance the article doesn’t appear to be arguing for adult onset ADHD without childhood symptoms.
Secondly, any condescension is purely interpreted. I mean no disrespect. I may be quite sharp in my communication, but that’s because I have somewhat of a problem with people advising based on nothing more than their feelings or a hunch.
All anyone really should be replying is “IDK, I’m not qualified to provide medical advice, if you think someghing is wrong, you should go see a doctor” … but I mean, that would make for quite the boring thread.
So then you agree that both of our back and forths, including both of our original comments, are redundant and they should go get checked? Okay. Let me fix my comment to make that more clear👍
Abso-fucking-lutely. This conversation should have ended with “go see a real doctor, this is the internet, we would prescribe horse dewormer if we could”. The rest has just been an intellectual circle jerk TBH.
And so it will.
“Go see a real doctor, this is the internet, we would prescribe horse dewormer if we could”
-BigDanishGuy, my colleague in unprofessional opinions, Lemmy, 2024 😉😝
Yes and yes! Anxiety and depression can have symptoms very similar to those of ADHD.
That the symptoms are similar does not mean that stress, anxiety, or depression will cause a person with no history of ADHD to suddenly have ADHD. It just means that the symptoms are similar.
Yes, I didn’t mean to imply otherwise!
Doctors usually treat symptoms and sometimes once a behavior sets in, it’s not as easily changed as something like anxiety or depression which can go away naturally on its own depending on life circumstances. Sometimes habit sets in and it’s the hardest “illness” to fix.
Therefore if the symptoms align and the treatment is the same and it may not ever go away, how different is it? Also, look up adult onset ADHD.
Sure there’s about a 90% chance that if you notice it in an adult, it’s always been there, but the other 10-15% is still there.
It’s different because the etymology is different. Also the treatment is not necessarily the same. At least I didn’t get prescribed stimulants for any of my depression diagnoses.
In regards to adult onset ADHD, the jury’s still out on that one. As I said elsewhere, the symptoms can have been subdued, or not presenting as clearly. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33738692/
You’re treating the behavior, not the cause.
If the cause is depression, then it just so happens you can treat the symptoms and the cause. This is not the case for everything but it’s still true.
Except you treat depression and anxiety by increasing the availability of serotonin in the synaptic gap (reuptake inhibition), while ADHD can be treated with atomoxetine which inhibits noradrenaline reuptake thus influencing the availability of dopamine. And while it’s true that atomoxetine can be used both in ADHD treatment as well as anxiety, methylphenidate and lisdexamfetamine dimesylate is used as well for ADHD, especially if the symptoms are indicative of strong attention deficit relative to the hyperkinetic symptoms.
So it’s not just a matter of treating the symptoms in this case, and you need to understand the root cause to treat effectively. A person with a strong serving ADD in their ADHD, such as yours truly, can present as depressed, but SSRI did nothing more than remove my moods, both positive and negative, rendering me an emotional zombie.
OP should "Go see a real doctor, this is the internet, we would prescribe horse dewormer if we could"😝
No, you can’t. Adhd is a developmental disorder, so you’re born with it.
I suppose a tbi or stroke or something could affect the frontal/prefrontal cortex and cause executive dysfunction, but it’s not something like depression or anxiety that can just pop up.
Yes, in fact people can develop ADD as an adult. You already came up with an example of how it can happen.
No, you can’t baring brain damage.
Adhd is a developmental disorder. This means that our brains didn’t develop properly and our frontal/prefrontal cortex doesn’t work as it should. Our brains are physically different than people without adhd.
You might get diagnosed as an adult, but it’s something you’re born with. Like autism, adhd isn’t something that you can just come down with a case of like depression or anxiety.
So no adult ever gets brain damaged? Or are you agreeing that humans can develop ADD as adult?
This is incorrect. Due to a number of reasons, including but not limited to: traumatic brain injuries, extreme compounding anxiety and/or depression, or PTSD could all cause symptoms that align perfectly with ADHD. even if those initial problems could be fixed, the brain works in such a way that the behavior that aligns with ADHD may not be so easily fixed once an individual has done it for so long.
Edit: this is just unprofessional opinion. Go see a doctor if things are interrupting your daily life.
That doesn’t make it adhd. For example, you can have obsessive or compulsive tendencies without having OCD.
Plus, the symptoms of adhd are things that everyone experiences, which is why this sub is so relatable to so many people.
🤷♂️we’re debating on something that isn’t fully understood by anyone completely, which is the brain. Official research is inconclusive due to lack of enough research. Inconclusivity doesn’t equal exclusivity.
But I digress, this person should see a medical professional so they can get professionally evaluated and find a treatment that works for them.
Anyone relying on internet comments with no evidence of a medical degree is just asking to misdiagnose themselves and have a bad time.
Absolutely! You should go get checked if you have the means to.
Edit to add: this is my unprofessional opinion based on my experiences with many people who are treated with ADHD.
If you have suspicions, you should see a doctor.