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Jesus South Korea
People are calling it “the gender war”, and it’s like GamerGate times ten. I shit you not it started with a Gacha game developer releasing a “summer skin” of a female character that pissed off the gamers by not showing enough skin.
like GamerGate times ten
Look, I’ll defend games as a medium and art form all day, but I’ll also advocate for a special extra-painful
for gacha devs and fansI think games can be art just like 2D images can be art. Not everything produced within a certain medium has to be considered art. I don’t consider corporate logos or banner ads art in the same way I don’t consider gacha games art.
When I say it out loud like that I realize that the second thing proceeds from the first, it’s the abuse of the medium that really gets under my skin.
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My two cents on this issue: I’m a white dude who taught ESL in South Korea for years, I married into a Korean family, I speak Korean, I also haven’t been in South Korea for seven years. What I’ll say is: it’s hard being a woman in South Korea, and there is little reason to get married if you happen to be one.
You’re expected to work a prestigious full-time job, provide for your husband (sex, three meals a day, therapy), have two kids (hopefully boys, and you might get an abortion if your doctor genders your fetus as female), and also, on top of all of this, you need to care for your husband’s elderly parents, sometimes intensively.
As for the men, their situation also sucks, but the ones shifting to the right are choosing to blame the real victims (women) rather than the system (and the American occupation) that has put them in this shitty situation. Men need to spend about two years of their youth in the military, where they are abused (your buddies hold you down while your CO spits in your mouth), and where you run the risk of dying or getting maimed in an “accident.”
In high school, everyone needs to be on campus at 8AM, and people aren’t really allowed to leave until 9PM, five days a week. They get six hours of sleep each night, possibly giving themselves brain damage from sleep deprivation, catching up on sleep in class (teachers don’t care) or on the weekend. Men also face poor job prospects (it’s almost impossible to get into a “good” school or get a “good” job) and a more or less pointless existence in a country that has been occupied by the USA since 1945. I’m not excusing their rightward shift, I’m just trying to provide a little perspective. People there are generally in favor of the DPRK (leaving it alone, at the very least) but they hate Japan, China, and the USA. Rightwing presidents tend to end their careers in prison; liberal presidents usually give money to the DPRK and are therefore better than standard Western liberals. Even if South Korea is part of the imperial core, it’s right at the edge, and has come very close to a successful lasting communist revolution multiple times since 1945.
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but have you considered that it’s nicer to be a wealthy man in South Korea, as long as you hate your fellow human beings?
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Thank you for the insight. It’s hard for me to figure out what the day to day is amidst heavily curated exported cultural product. (Parasite notwithstanding
)Damn that was eye opening for me at least.
pls
how the fuck are American men getting more conservative since the 2010s
what the fuck silly specs are they looking at the world through (I am aware that the answer is patriarchy)
It’s mainly YouTube/social media. It’s on 24/7 for zoomers and younger. What gets promoted on YouTube is all the conservative shitheads (because they have the most money invested in promoting their propaganda), and once you click on conservative commentators you get recommend fascists. Even if you click on 100% Marxist-Leninist stuff, it will recommend you conservative slop.
How can anyone be on the side that big tech social media algorithms push for HARD, and think they’re on the side of the “good guys”?
Well chuds think they’re against “big tech”
Brainworms
at every level
They’ve moved from edgy libertarianism to edgy fascism
Is this really what the study shows? The BI article makes that claim but doesn’t show any data besides a contradictory graph that shows young men identifying as “liberal” has stayed roughly the same. Yes, the gap between young men and women has increased, but I’m a little skeptical that young men overall have been shifting right compared to previous generations.
Yeah idk, something seems off about this data. The UK results are especially weird, I’m not ready to just accept these results. It’s also trying harmonize results from different polls. Might be a broad trend in the US of young women becoming more liberal faster but the idea that young men are more conservative than they were years ago, not sure about that.
This too conveniently falls into reactionary narratives about women.
I can’t view the FT page. Is this multiple studies or just one? Who did the studies? That might give some hints if there is some intent behind publishing the study or studies.
Different studies for each country (fine print at the bottom of the image)
American men are told they need to be the strongest, cleverest either because they need to stand out against dei hiring and admissions policies, amongst their peers in the dating environment or simply live up to an idealized male.
Conservatives address that need directly, leftists do not.
Its almost like women don’t want to be property
Only slightly more men are moving to the right in most places, it’s more due to women moving much more in the opposite direction. Which is very understandable due to open hostility towards women being pretty much mainstream on the right now.
open hostility towards women being pretty much mainstream on the right now.
I just realised that the massive increase in German women’s conservatism starting in 1990 is because of German reunification
No, not really. East Germany was not particularly more conservative than the West, with the exception of the 1990 election. In fact, as the 90s went on it had a higher vote share for left wing parties, especially the successor of the SED.
It was however, more nationalistic. Leading to the current situation where the far-right is hegemonic there, including the rejection of causes left-liberals hold dear.
I think they’re referring to West Germany…
The annexation of East Germany didn’t really change much in West German politics tbh - and the organizations that were strongly supportive of the GDR (DKP, etc.) were always a marginalized group of troublemakers - by 1990 the neoliberals were growing in popularity in the SPD anyway, and the left wing of the Green Party was realizing that the group had become a lost cause. So not much noticeable change there either.
you’re responding to the people talking about the GDR and what it lost in reunification as if they’re talking about the west. no one here gives a shit about the west.
Er, no?
The original comment was about how women’s support for the criteria the chart delineated as progressive/conservative went towards the latter after 1990. Before that, it’s almost certain the data only considered west Germany.
Thus, if it went down in 1990, it’s to assume that it’s at least partially because an increase of conservative population from the annexed regions of the east - right? Former Warsaw Pact countries do tend to have populations that are to the right of what the law was in the AES era.
What I’m saying is that the downward turn on the chart is unlikely to have been caused by that, since while the west had worse laws, its population wasn’t that much different from the east’s in supporting socially progressive causes. On the economic side, westerners haven’t changed and the easterners only turned left with the negative effects of the free market economy restoration.
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Eh. It was a nationalism-fest, with Kohl being promoted as the “Chancellor of Unity”, the chant of the 1989 protests “We are the People” being changed into “We are one people”, prosperity being promised, etc., etc.
The SPD underperformed expectations, and the SED/PDS (and later just PDS) won in East Berlin, performed in double digits everywhere (within the east. The highest they got in the west is like 1,0% in Bremen), but the CDU got 53% in Saxony. That place is a reactionary hotbed to this day, which is a shame. Leipzig, Dresden and Görlitz are really nice cities.
What are the questions though?
Oh God, does being nonbinary make me a centrist now?
Sorry. Those are the rules. I didn’t make them.
Nonbinary people are moving on the (not visible here) z-axis which is anarchism–communism.
Do they make any comment about how they’re mapping an already simplistic binary of the American political culture and applying it to countries that have their own political culture?
Pollster: “Do you support Biden or Trump?”
Korean woman: “나는 영어를 이해하지 못한다”
Pollster: “B-I-D-E-N OR T-R-U-M-P???”
Guessing this is mainly due to men reacting to the weakening of the patriarchy. And cishet men reacting to greater queer rights and success. And white men reacting to increasing POC populations
ding ding ding, we talk way too much about social media and algorithms but not enough about the fact that this is simply a reaction to men losing privilege and honestly should be expected.
Curious how there was a sharp increase in young people identifying with Labour when the Blairites weren’t in leadership.
I’m sure that will continue under Starmer
Men in the US are becoming the most despicable creature there is: A centrist
I’ll just link to what I said in the news mega about needing to counter this properly since it had several responses that will otherwise be lost if i copy it here.
Good discussion.
I quite like some of Julius Deutsch’s ideas about sport and building working class consciousness: https://archive.org/details/Antifascism_Sports_Sobriety_9781629632674.
I think this may be a better way to go than relying on individual heros. The heros are good for inspiration. But I want to see ML parties with a phys-ed program specifically aimed at teaching the youth how to look after themselves, stay fit, and be physically self confident, etc.
Taking people who join the gym to look like Brad Pitt and instead building their confidence to get fit/strong without all the baggage of competition and comparison. Could also provide a space for people to make healthy food for each other, too. A community project that doesn’t depend on state grants (and their isn’t controlled by the government and won’t fall apart when the funding is pulled).
I could be advocating for building and crafting a solidaristic masculinity that isn’t necessarily gendered. Maybe I don’t mean masculinity at all but it might have to look like that to reach the young men who will be attracted by Tate, et al. They think they want that kind of masculinity but it won’t help them overcome whatever makes the alt-right attractive in the first place. Similarly, for whatever the faux-intellectual Peterson is peddling. Maybe it’s respect that the young people want?
Kinda need space to do this but that can be worked out. Unfortunately, this requires a functional ML party and they’re few and far between.
The problem is that left-heros will be assassinated or imprisoned and people like Tate and Peterson will be boosted to the moon. They’ll fill your social media feed. Their books will fill every train station. The left can’t compete with that by competing on the same terrain. The left needs to build the infrastructure for nurturing class consciousness in a million places at once, creating a million local heroes for those who are crying out for some kind of community. I.e. we need to understand what neoliberalism has done to us and actively, deliberately, systematically counter it.
These kinds of sports things sound good but eliminating competition isn’t going to work. People enjoy competition. People seek out and create competition for themselves, it’s interesting, it’s fun, it’s a game.
I am not saying that non-competition type stuff won’t work either, but you need both. Or you’re just handing over all the people that like competition to the far right.
Guess where young boys 10-15 go to get role models that are fighters because they’re scared the other kids will beat them up? They look up sports and find the top fighters.
I actually like the point about making it a collective thing, sort of a movement, a self body improvement left thing. That’s good, but it doesn’t need to also toss out individual rolemodels entirely either.
Good points.
What was going on in mid-2000s UK? As a lifelong burgerlander I don’t have any context to make sense of that inversion.
Iraq war with Tony Blair in charge.
Dudes were rocking
Seems made up. Also notice how the non-US ones are support for political parties.
Also notice how the non-US ones are support for political parties.
Why is that inaccurate? ROKoreans last year voted in a president that blamed women for the country’s problems
idk it just feels like it doesn’t tell the whole story. And I don’t want to believe it.
It’s official, conservatism is a maidenless ideology
Shit, no wonder all the right wing guys are obsessed with finding a tradwife. All that shit they say about ruthless sexual competition for limited mating partners (🤢) or whatever is literally true, but only for them, and only because they made it that way by hating women lmao
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