If voting doesn’t matter, why are Republicans using every dirty trick in the book they can to try to prevent a fair election?
VoTiNg iSnT cOoL oK FeLLoW pRoGreSsIvES?
“Progressives”, such centrist language.
Yes, you’re trying to depress Democratic votes. It wouldn’t make sense for you to be making your plea to the people you actually want to win - “fellow MAGAs” - or to your own in-group who already doesn’t vote anyway - “fellow leftist revolutionary larper man-children.”
Vote to keep away the worst, organize to bring forward the best.
This.
Voting is like cleaning your wounds. The act of cleaning would not fix your wounds but you should still be doing it to prevent it from getting worse.
The voted organized brownshirts, and sent everyone to the deathcamps, again, again, again, and again.
How you folks don’t see it, perplexes my historian brain.
This is an anti-democracy argument, not an anti-voting argument. This is a “we have to abolish democracy” thing. I don’t see how this negates voting to perhaps prevent the worst fascists from taking over? Given that your only response to fascists getting voted in is, let them be voted in by not offering a counterweight?
Then rephrase your first statement, since it reads as electoral apologia. Voting as collective decision organizing makes sense from a “we run out of options directly acting on this thing.” And not the brainwashed electoralists still demanding representative politics. The latter is precisely why there is still populist propaganda, and why they still vote the brownshirts in.
voting is a tool within the greater antifash idea. anyone trying to convince you not to is a fascist.
Voting is lib bullshit that perpetuates the capitalist system. Anyone selling you voting as a solution is a right winger who wants billions to die.
The only solution is revolution.
Can’t you vote and do a revolution, whenever that’s going to happen
Not as long as voters keep thinking voting is the solution.
I don’t think anyone politically active thinks voting is the end-all-be-all of political activity.
As for the average person… if you convince them voting doesn’t matter, you know what they’re going to do instead?
NOTHING.
They’re not going to go out of their way to join a political revolution.
They’re just going to give up and say “I guess there’s nothing that can be done.”
It’s not one or the other, you can still vote to try and minimize damage while working towards or dreaming about revolution.
minimize damage
Good sir, WHAT DAMAGE‽
Some candidates are worse than others. You’d preferably would want the less shit one to win
If a political system yields worse candidates, why then should one support a system that still causes damage‽ Why are you blaming a voter for being responsible for harm reduction, when the system still creates damage?
Voting is a tool that works as well as the system it’s used in is working. When things are going well, voting is incredibly useful, when things are going poorly, all it can do is nudge things a tiny bit, rarely to any avail. Still, if someone’s got me tied up, you bet I’m struggling against those ropes, even if the movement isn’t much. I’m not just struggling, though - I’m also yelling and biting. Do everything you can to fight back, regardless of the utility.
Did you even fucking read what they said?
It’s a tool within a greater idea, not the solution.
Voting is not a tool, it’s a distraction. It is not antifascist.
Everything seems to be quite black and white in your world, huh? Something something Sith absolutes.
So then if we’re talking hypothetically, in your overthrown fascist government future, what does civilization look like? I’m curious where you’re coming from and what you see and want and think is the right way to do things, specifically after The Revolution™.
Sorry we can’t all live in fantasy land where capitalism and authority is defeated through small electoral reforms that are undone every few elections or abandoned when a ‘crisis’ is near.
I’m an anarchist. You can learn about that here.
Man I miss being so young and simple minded. You probably believe like anarchism or libertarianism and think glassing Israel would fix most of this.
Your post is absolutely poetic: Explain how one can vote one’s self out from the end of brownshirts’ firing squads?
what’s poetic about a scenario less than 1% of voters are actually facing?
Other than blatant denial for the prison-slave capitalism worldwide, your vote is fascist masturbation.
Prisoners can not vote, they are not voters. You are purposefully arguing past what I am saying and seeing your own strawman in the mirror.
No. I am amazed on what little humanity you have, that you believe prisoners should not be empowered to seize their means of liberation, even by silly elections.
Again, arguing with the strawman instead of me. Did I say prisoners should not be able to vote, did you ask my opinion of prisoners being able to vote?
The answer to both is: No, I did not, and No, you did not.
You are having a one sided argument based on your own preconceived notions of my opinion because it’s simpler to argue with an idea in your head than with what a person has said.
I said that people who have the means to vote, should vote. I did not say voting was the only solution to fascism. I said it was one of the many tools we have access to. Prisoners in the USA, are not voters. They do not have that tool, ergo this argument you are trying to have is null and void.
You want to have a talk about if prisoners should be able to vote? Sure, I’m all ears. In fact, I’m sure we agree that they should have a say. We may even both believe in prison abolishin. Hard to say when youre arguing with a boogie man. That does not change the fact that prisoners being able to vote is a completely different discussion than actual voters, the group of people the comment was directed towards.
Voting under beatling democracies turns the masses predictable.
If you can’t get your ass to a voting booth every couple of years, you’re the problem.
If you think going to a voting booth every few years will fix anything, you are the problem.
Voting is the first, the easiest step to shaping politics. If you can’t even do that, I don’t trust you to do anything effective.
If it’s so easy, then what makes you think people who argue “voting doesn’t matter” aren’t also doing that (we are)? We just don’t care to let electoralists suck all the energy out of people who are willing to take action trying to get some loser elected who’s just gonna betray us all for half a buck anyway.
Voting does not solve shit. It is not a solution, it is a placebo. Real reform can only come from revolution, the system cannot change itself.
I suppose you never take painkillers alongside antibiotics? Since only the second one can stop the illness
Do you ever see people promoting painkillers as a standalone solution? Because that’s 99% of voters entrenched into their tribe bullshit.
Could you
twothree stop talking to the straw man you’ve built of the other side and actually engage with each other?Engage with what? Electorialism is not a solution, there is no point engaging in it.
Especially when the people who preach “you can vote and revolt” never push the revolt narrative, it’s only that voting that concerns them.
If voting would change anything, they would’ve made it illegal.
Problem with this is Libs love to control who people vote for. You can’t just vote for your preferred candidate in primaries, you have to vote for the person that can win and everyone has already decided will win otherwise you’re splitting the vote. You have to vote for the chosen D reps in the general otherwise you wasted your time and shouldn’t have gone anyways.
I vote every chance I get, but I just view it as something to keep me out of the house cause in deep red Missouri, my votes aren’t gonna do a damn thing.
Whether you think voting is any kind of solution or not, people who don’t go to the voting booth are definitely not “the problem” – saying that things are bad because of people who don’t vote in a game of shitty choices is a real misunderstanding of the problem
They are the problem, because right wing sheep are being whipped into a frenzy and driven into the voting booth every election. If you can’t even be bothered to vote against fascists, how am I supposed to take you seriously?
You are not voting against Fascists by voting for Democrats. You are voting for delaying hard fascism in favor of a more subtle fascism and setting up a harder fascism for the next Republican administration. That is how it’s worked this whole time, that is the progression of electoral lesser evil politics in this country.
Reiterated, you don’t understand the systemic problem if you blame virtually powerless voters in this fraudulent “democracy.” If you don’t agree with this, I personally don’t give a shit if you take me “seriously.”
And you can blame me and other voters/non-voters all you want, but that won’t fix a thing, and not only that, it is pointing a finger at the non-powerful instead of the powerful, the individual instead of the system itself, and in this way you are perpetuating “the problem” more than nonvoters, or people who vote their conscience (like I did for Cornell West, the best option in the recent presidential election). Hey, why didn’t you and everyone else vote for the real lesser evil? The better option than Harris? By your logic, I blame all of you for not having a better Administration and better things. “We didn’t vote for the better candidates because they had no chance.” Yeah, because you didn’t vote for them. After all it is everyone’s choice that they could have made. But see how dumb it is for me to blame you for all the problems today?
Oh and maybe you should consider blaming the Democrats for being absolute ass and totally captured by corporate interests, and nobody really wanting to vote for them because they suck total ass and are not a serious opposition and have mostly been in league with the Republicans. Why aren’t you blaming the actual powerful?
Vote in primaries. Don’t just wait until the only choices left suck and then complain.
I do vote in the primaries and it still doesn’t amount to much, especially considering the most well funded (corporate and welathy backed candidate) almost always win because it’s a name recognition game, and money buys that message into people’s brains for when they get to the booth.
And guess what, Harris didn’t even have a primary, she was appointed.
Then there is virtually no method (thru established channels) of public accountability once a politician gets into office. That is why in reality almost all of them succumb to money interests, for the few who didn’t already before getting elected.
You place way too much faith in the process of capitalist “liberal democracy” which is the shallowest shell of democracy. The architects of the political system are the rich and powerful themselves. It is an elaborate maze designed to keep the ones in power in power. You blame and direct your ire at the wrong people.
If you employ language where you lament people voting and even call them sheep when they don’t adhere to politics you condone worthy, you’re more cynical about elections than OP.
Why do you complain about people refraining from attending elections if these people made up their minds that it’s inconsequential. That’s hating on the players, not the game.
Theres no game being played if half the players are abstaining.
We’re not calling for inaction. Quite the opposite.
Voting isn’t a good in and of itself unless it is for policy (ie in a referendum). Republican representational voting is really just the first step inthe elite’s journey to unite in order to dominate the masses and is EXTREMELY capable of supporting fascim.
