• Canonical_Warlock@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
    17·
    6 days ago

    Pro tip. When you call the cops over someone breaking into your home, the police response time will be much faster if you mention castle doctrine durring the call.

  • fenrasulfr@lemmy.world
    13·
    6 days ago

    I think police are a necessary evil but that means we need to scrutinise them thouroughly and make radical changes when there are problems.

    I still get surprised that, in the US, a police officer only has a few weeks of training. I think most cleaning personel in Europe has a longer training period. Anyone with that much power needs to be vetted and follow a degree so we can be sure of a minimum amount of competency.

      • PolarKraken@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
        7·
        6 days ago

        This is not hyperbole, or exaggeration, or an unfounded guess, or an uncharitable interpretation, none of that.

        The practice of excluding candidates for scoring too highly had to be defended before the US courts of appeals at one point, and successfully was. Like 30 years ago now.

        So yeah, police fought, using the court system, for the protection to do exactly what you’re describing.

        Combine that with the ruling that they have no legal duty to even try to protect anyone, and events like Uvalde seem a lot more predictable. How anyone thinks they’re here for our benefit is wild.

  • CerebralHawks@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
    8·
    6 days ago

    My only problem with the top image is that most revolvers have six shots and are slow to reload, though speed loaders exist (they’re like the spinning part, in reverse, you slide it out, and just dump the rounds in, something like that).

    Mine has 17 in the magazine and one in the chamber. Load one mag, rack the slide (loads one into the chamber), then drop the mag, swap it out for a fresh one, put the mag with 16 back in my pocket (possibly adding a 17th round back into it) and now I’ve got 18 shots before I need to reload. Anyway, that’s too much work — if 17 shots ain’t enough, I’m probably done for.

    I’d encourage anyone to find a single inexpensive semi-automatic chambered in 9mm. Ammo is cheap (around $20 for 50 rounds) and plentiful. Larger calibre ammo is more expensive, and often hard to find, especially the popular .45. And go to the range. Learn gun safety. And learn how to shoot paper. Anyone can hit a paper target that doesn’t move. If you can find a police/tactical range that lets you in without being law enforcement, they have courses where you can move and fire at paper targets that move. These ranges tend to be more expensive, but a lot of them are run by retired cops, military, jail/prison, etc. so they won’t let just anyone shoot there. But some are owned by private citizens and they may let you shoot.

    I never thought I’d go up against a military, government, or even a moderately trained cop. But a home invader? I got this. A thug who doesn’t know where he’s going? I’m not calling an ambulance, I’m calling the hearse.

    • AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world
      5·
      6 days ago

      I hear what you’re saying and agree. Counterpoint: I already have 2 × 7-shot .50 cal revolvers. That’s 14 guaranteed non-jammed shots. I also use hollow point bullets. I don’t have to be accurate. I can hit your hand, and you are not just losing the hand and a chunk of your wrist, the impact is going to knock you off your feet. Admittedly, I’m a veteran, and have just a bit more training than your average civvy

      • CerebralHawks@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
        2·
        4 days ago

        I’m not gonna disagree with someone with a .50 calibre anything because I know one shot is going to end me regardless of what it hits.

        I could probably handle shooting .50, but I like to type and I feel like my wrists will be sore for a couple days after a day at the range with something like that, plus I don’t even wanna know what each of those rounds cost.

        I have hollow points in my 9 as well, but only in the magazine that came with it. My other mags are third party, and the bottom sticks out a bit. It’s not pretty, but it loads all the rounds perfectly fine, it’s just not pretty. I only use those for training rounds, though I’ve got 33 hollow points still in the box, I could load all three with hollow points and fill the third mag with one training round at the bottom, if it’s my last shot it’ll still do something. (I mean my training rounds are still bullets, they’re just the cheap low-grain shit you buy on sale for shooting at paper.)

      • Marshezezz@lemmy.blahaj.zone
        2·
        6 days ago

        Yeah I don’t think anyone is doing much after a .50 cal, holy shit haha. I’d feel uncomfortable as hell with that thing. I’m spoiled on the g19, it’s such a smooth shooter. I was trying out my cousin’s .38 and wasn’t a fan, albeit it’s a small one and my hands a bit big for it so a bigger handle and barrel would probably feel much nicer. That fucker felt like it was punching me in the hand after every shot though

    • Big_Boss_77@fedinsfw.appEnglish
      3·
      6 days ago

      I would argue that, for a total novice, a revolver would be a better choice for home defense. Unless there is something mechanically wrong with the firearm, jams are virtually impossible, any semi-auto can jam upon ejection. Six shots, if you practice and are proficient, are enough to neutralize the threat in most home defense situations. I’ve not seen a general use single action revolver in a long time, so trigger work would be basically identical for a double action as it would be a semi-auto.

      Apologies for the rambling, and if the thoughts are out of order, I’m awake and have some serious reservations about that…

      • GraniteM@lemmy.world
        9·
        6 days ago

        I had a friend who would say he needed the whole 17-round semiauto 9mm because “what if multiple people wearing body armor break into my house?” and my answer was “Dude, if three guys wearing body armor break into your house, that’s either a SWAT team or a cartel hit squad, and either way you’re dead.”

        If I ever need to pull the trigger, then something has gone very wrong. If I ever need to pull the trigger six times, something has gone horribly, apocalyptically wrong. If I ever encounter a problem that six rounds of 357 cannot solve, then I’m definitely dead anyway.

        Also, I wanted a gun that would outlive both me and human civilization as we know it.