First everybody needs to get their gold out of the USA, switch over all critical infrastructure and payment to home brew solutions and sell USA treasuries. Then the sanctions can start. But switching away from USA infrastructure in already a form of sanction.
It is a reflection of the lack of integrity in the political systems of other countries that no sanctions have been imposed on the US in response to its brutal actions in Iran - this war is just as much a war of aggression in violation of international law as the one Russia is waging against Ukraine.
I don’t think that it’s a lack of integrity that’s resulted in sanctions not being applied against the US. We just wouldn’t be able to weather the financial consequences of sanctioning them.
Integrity is lacking but I don’t think that a government with 100% integrity would be able to afford to sanction the US.
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While instant sanctions haven’t been put in place there is a lot of ‘decoupling’ going on.
While this doesn’t have the same shock value, the long term effects are there.
Personally I’d love to see sanctions applied to USA for what they’ve done in Iran - though don’t get me wrong, I don’t support the Iranian regime either - BUT you really cannot compare Iran to Ukraine.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but Ukraine hasn’t spent the last two decades funding terrorism and proxies to destabilise the European area? Let’s not pretend like Iranian gov is some helpless, innocent angel here. Many were clapping for regime change when it was being earned by the blood of innocent students. Perhaps many of our countries would’ve been involved in this conflict, if it was planned and executed sensibly (though I’d argue the conflict straight up wouldn’t have exploded to actual conflict if anyone but the stupid orange turd was at the helm)
I think they also need to come up with a better term than ‘western countries’, to something that does not include the US but is open to include others. ‘Countries that try to not be complete asshats’? Idk, the bar is in hell.
But there are quite a few non-western countries that could fit the bill if it weren’t for US fuckery.
Maybe we could call it something like League of Nations?
Joke aside, any nation considering itself a world power would insist of veto power (or similar power tool). I think a way forward is alliances such as eu or even smaller such as the Nordic Council to safe guard against international strong man bullying. Personally I dont think the world can cooperate with rule of law rather than might makes right, but I would love to be proven wrong
Ironically, the way America is acting, it makes Russias invasion of Ukraine look reasonable from the perspective of another Oligarchy (notice I didn’t say justified). But with Nato expansion and US aggression the other oligarch controlled country saw the future and took its expansion step first.
The world was shocked by the invasion of Ukraine but not really of Iran. This has been in the works since before the invasion of Iraq. But all America has been telling the world with this war is (1) Yes, all those Nato and US bases will be used to launch our invasions (2) yes, you are not safe from invasion unless you have a nuke (3) if you’re our ally and have US bases in your country we will literally abandon them and your country will not be protected unless it’s Israel. You will be punching bags because you thought our presence meant “security”. It’s not. It’s a liability.
First of all, it is not justified at all. The Ukraine was literally like a brother to Russia and invading it was no different than killing your own family.
Using Putin’s propaganda garbage logic kind of exposes your cards to everyone.
Second, the world was shocked by the illegal bombing of Iran. No one expected the US to go through with it just like no one expected Russia to start invading Ukraine. Both of these countries already had a lot of control of the countries they attacked and the invasion/attack was pretty pointless.
The US is no friends to its allies just like Russia. They are both fascist garbage countries working together behind the scenes with China. They all three can get fucking bent. The world would be better off without them.
How can you mis-read a comment this much? Read the first paragraph of their comment and then your response. It’s like you are willfully blind or something.
So weird how I literally said “notice how I didn’t say justified” and I still got an idiot reply purposely misunderstanding my comment.
That was FOR YOU dude. That little part in ellipsis was literally written for you and you’re little brain and you skipped it!
My comment was talking about the REASONING of two rogue states. Talking about the reasons rogue states take the actions they do is not justifying the actions they take as moral or correct.
For example, I can understand the reasoning for the 9/11 attacks. I can understand how US intervention in the middle east and its own terrorism at the hands of its military resulted in that blowback and it’s violence coming back home. That doesn’t mean I’m justifying.
You get it?
Also, if you were shocked by the invasion of Iran. You were not paying attention for the last 47 years. Iran wasn’t shocked. Iran has literally been preparing for this since their revolution. The only shocking thing was how incredibly unprepared the US was when it finally did invade.
I am glad you can use propaganda to justify in your head garbage policies that get people killed. Good for you I guess.
Back in the real world if I spout pro Maga/Nazi/Fascist rhetoric I would expect someone to call me out on it. That is for you dude
I was shocked that the US would bomb Iran a second time without provocation, without a resolution, a coalition, or even congressional approval. This bombastic policy is the very definition of a war crime.
I am sorry but this is not normal even for the imperialistic war criminal cabal that is the US. It is yet anothrr war crime, every move is so shockingly worse than the last. Every norm, every protocol ignored. A disgusting display of naked power and greed.
The parallels between existing superpowers and the worldwide rise of fascism has not eluded me.
It’s so weird how someone like yourself is confused by someone analyzing state powers and the material incentives for why they do things. Do you also scream at detectives for establishing the motive for a murder investigation? I guess the detectives are in favor of the murder /s
Maybe reread my comments with that in mind? Or do you enjoy purposely misunderstanding what someone is talking about? Because that’s all you’re doing at this point.
Sanctions against the U.S. will, of course, not happen.
It would be more productive for the rest of the world to reduce its dependence on the US. This dependence takes a variety of forms and degrees but it’s this very dependence which makes sanctions impractical. It’s this very dependence which emboldens jackasses like Trump.
So just divest. Disentangle. If we could get there then there might actually be something we could do about a problem like Trump.
As things stand, it takes forever and a day to gather the will to merely speak out.
I think this is probably exactly what Trump’s cronies want.
The news is splattered with pics of Trump and Hegseth and the war room. But those aren’t the masterminds. Trump did not get his position twice by doing it all himself.
He’s a figurehead. In his shadow are billionaire donors, some of whom travel to Russia on a regular basis. So, what happens when NATO turns against the US? Why, just like 1984 - a new alliance with an old enemy. Our NATO allies are now the bad guys. The US keeps oil dominance with the Saudis, sells weapons to Russia and continues trading with China. Trump’s cronies money. Everybody is happy, except the puny citizens.
It doesn’t happen overnight, and it doesn’t happen without rigging midterm elections. But it’s the direction the US is pointed in right now.
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First everybody needs to get their gold out of the USA, switch over all critical infrastructure and payment to home brew solutions and sell USA treasuries. Then the sanctions can start. But switching away from USA infrastructure in already a form of sanction.
Stuff like Wero matters and is making actual progress. Once they open up to merchants I hope to see it being a realistic homebrew payment network.
I don’t think that it’s a lack of integrity that’s resulted in sanctions not being applied against the US. We just wouldn’t be able to weather the financial consequences of sanctioning them.
Integrity is lacking but I don’t think that a government with 100% integrity would be able to afford to sanction the US.
+1
While instant sanctions haven’t been put in place there is a lot of ‘decoupling’ going on.
While this doesn’t have the same shock value, the long term effects are there.
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Personally I’d love to see sanctions applied to USA for what they’ve done in Iran - though don’t get me wrong, I don’t support the Iranian regime either - BUT you really cannot compare Iran to Ukraine.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but Ukraine hasn’t spent the last two decades funding terrorism and proxies to destabilise the European area? Let’s not pretend like Iranian gov is some helpless, innocent angel here. Many were clapping for regime change when it was being earned by the blood of innocent students. Perhaps many of our countries would’ve been involved in this conflict, if it was planned and executed sensibly (though I’d argue the conflict straight up wouldn’t have exploded to actual conflict if anyone but the stupid orange turd was at the helm)
valid point as well
I think they also need to come up with a better term than ‘western countries’, to something that does not include the US but is open to include others. ‘Countries that try to not be complete asshats’? Idk, the bar is in hell. But there are quite a few non-western countries that could fit the bill if it weren’t for US fuckery.
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Maybe we could call it something like League of Nations?
Joke aside, any nation considering itself a world power would insist of veto power (or similar power tool). I think a way forward is alliances such as eu or even smaller such as the Nordic Council to safe guard against international strong man bullying. Personally I dont think the world can cooperate with rule of law rather than might makes right, but I would love to be proven wrong
Definitely. The world was so quick to sanction Russia for its invasion, but the US faces no consequences for its actions…
Same applies to Israel. BDS should be taken seriously.
Ironically, the way America is acting, it makes Russias invasion of Ukraine look reasonable from the perspective of another Oligarchy (notice I didn’t say justified). But with Nato expansion and US aggression the other oligarch controlled country saw the future and took its expansion step first.
The world was shocked by the invasion of Ukraine but not really of Iran. This has been in the works since before the invasion of Iraq. But all America has been telling the world with this war is (1) Yes, all those Nato and US bases will be used to launch our invasions (2) yes, you are not safe from invasion unless you have a nuke (3) if you’re our ally and have US bases in your country we will literally abandon them and your country will not be protected unless it’s Israel. You will be punching bags because you thought our presence meant “security”. It’s not. It’s a liability.
First of all, it is not justified at all. The Ukraine was literally like a brother to Russia and invading it was no different than killing your own family.
Using Putin’s propaganda garbage logic kind of exposes your cards to everyone.
Second, the world was shocked by the illegal bombing of Iran. No one expected the US to go through with it just like no one expected Russia to start invading Ukraine. Both of these countries already had a lot of control of the countries they attacked and the invasion/attack was pretty pointless.
The US is no friends to its allies just like Russia. They are both fascist garbage countries working together behind the scenes with China. They all three can get fucking bent. The world would be better off without them.
How can you mis-read a comment this much? Read the first paragraph of their comment and then your response. It’s like you are willfully blind or something.
The guy is a Russian apologist, duh.
I didn’t misread shit
So weird how I literally said “notice how I didn’t say justified” and I still got an idiot reply purposely misunderstanding my comment.
That was FOR YOU dude. That little part in ellipsis was literally written for you and you’re little brain and you skipped it!
My comment was talking about the REASONING of two rogue states. Talking about the reasons rogue states take the actions they do is not justifying the actions they take as moral or correct.
For example, I can understand the reasoning for the 9/11 attacks. I can understand how US intervention in the middle east and its own terrorism at the hands of its military resulted in that blowback and it’s violence coming back home. That doesn’t mean I’m justifying.
You get it?
Also, if you were shocked by the invasion of Iran. You were not paying attention for the last 47 years. Iran wasn’t shocked. Iran has literally been preparing for this since their revolution. The only shocking thing was how incredibly unprepared the US was when it finally did invade.
I am glad you can use propaganda to justify in your head garbage policies that get people killed. Good for you I guess.
Back in the real world if I spout pro Maga/Nazi/Fascist rhetoric I would expect someone to call me out on it. That is for you dude
I was shocked that the US would bomb Iran a second time without provocation, without a resolution, a coalition, or even congressional approval. This bombastic policy is the very definition of a war crime.
I am sorry but this is not normal even for the imperialistic war criminal cabal that is the US. It is yet anothrr war crime, every move is so shockingly worse than the last. Every norm, every protocol ignored. A disgusting display of naked power and greed.
The parallels between existing superpowers and the worldwide rise of fascism has not eluded me.
It’s so weird how someone like yourself is confused by someone analyzing state powers and the material incentives for why they do things. Do you also scream at detectives for establishing the motive for a murder investigation? I guess the detectives are in favor of the murder /s
Maybe reread my comments with that in mind? Or do you enjoy purposely misunderstanding what someone is talking about? Because that’s all you’re doing at this point.
Listen you are a Russian apologist, I think it is bullshit. It is okay.
Sure, in the same way a detective is an apologist for criminals.
You should be ashamed with how many lives have been lost. Disgusting.
It would be more productive for the rest of the world to reduce its dependence on the US. This dependence takes a variety of forms and degrees but it’s this very dependence which makes sanctions impractical. It’s this very dependence which emboldens jackasses like Trump.
So just divest. Disentangle. If we could get there then there might actually be something we could do about a problem like Trump.
As things stand, it takes forever and a day to gather the will to merely speak out.
I think this is probably exactly what Trump’s cronies want.
The news is splattered with pics of Trump and Hegseth and the war room. But those aren’t the masterminds. Trump did not get his position twice by doing it all himself.
He’s a figurehead. In his shadow are billionaire donors, some of whom travel to Russia on a regular basis. So, what happens when NATO turns against the US? Why, just like 1984 - a new alliance with an old enemy. Our NATO allies are now the bad guys. The US keeps oil dominance with the Saudis, sells weapons to Russia and continues trading with China. Trump’s cronies money. Everybody is happy, except the puny citizens.
It doesn’t happen overnight, and it doesn’t happen without rigging midterm elections. But it’s the direction the US is pointed in right now.
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