They really shouldn’t be. They could have a small force of AFOs for very special operations. But I would imagine that 99% of situations they deal with don’t require guns.
I don’t understand. You mean by replacing the current police force with a vigilante force? All the image says is that regular people have come out to protect people from ICE and suggests that this type of force can replace the police.
Instead of Defund the Police or Abolish the Police, we should probably say Disarm the Police. We have the UK and several other countries that prove this is feasible. And it’s more rational than just getting rid of police all together. Or if you don’t believe that, it’s going to sound way more rational to the general public.
Public opinion is certainly not a good indicator of rationality! More good examples will convince them a lot better than words - once you say socialism, most Americans will stop considering it at all. It’s irrational to support something harmful once one sees that better alternatives exist already.
I’m asking about your proposal - say we disarm the police. What’s stopping us from getting fascism again from whoever does have guns? Does the UK strike you as immune to fascism?
FYI when people say “defund the police” they don’t universally mean abolish them like OP and I are suggesting. It often means redistributing most of their budget to other social services that aren’t armed, like what you’re saying.
I’m asking about your proposal - say we disarm the police. What’s stopping us from getting fascism again from whoever does have guns?
The same question applies to vigilante forces. I’ve seen a lot of vigilante videos from around the world and they are horrifying. My concern is when I hear “regular people self-organized to patrol a city” I see that turning into a mob that beats a suspected thief to death with baseball bats, or restraining them and setting them on fire, or dragging them through the streets by a rope tied around their neck as the neighborhood stones them to death. Any time people are given power, there is a danger of fascist behavior.
So if we replace the police with a neighborhood watch, what’s to stop fascism there?
Wouldn’t ICE and Border Patrol be Authorized Firearms Officers?
They really shouldn’t be. They could have a small force of AFOs for very special operations. But I would imagine that 99% of situations they deal with don’t require guns.
So how would we get this policy change, if not by changing the underlying structure like OP suggests?
I don’t understand. You mean by replacing the current police force with a vigilante force? All the image says is that regular people have come out to protect people from ICE and suggests that this type of force can replace the police.
Instead of Defund the Police or Abolish the Police, we should probably say Disarm the Police. We have the UK and several other countries that prove this is feasible. And it’s more rational than just getting rid of police all together. Or if you don’t believe that, it’s going to sound way more rational to the general public.
Public opinion is certainly not a good indicator of rationality! More good examples will convince them a lot better than words - once you say socialism, most Americans will stop considering it at all. It’s irrational to support something harmful once one sees that better alternatives exist already.
I’m asking about your proposal - say we disarm the police. What’s stopping us from getting fascism again from whoever does have guns? Does the UK strike you as immune to fascism?
FYI when people say “defund the police” they don’t universally mean abolish them like OP and I are suggesting. It often means redistributing most of their budget to other social services that aren’t armed, like what you’re saying.
The same question applies to vigilante forces. I’ve seen a lot of vigilante videos from around the world and they are horrifying. My concern is when I hear “regular people self-organized to patrol a city” I see that turning into a mob that beats a suspected thief to death with baseball bats, or restraining them and setting them on fire, or dragging them through the streets by a rope tied around their neck as the neighborhood stones them to death. Any time people are given power, there is a danger of fascist behavior.
So if we replace the police with a neighborhood watch, what’s to stop fascism there?
This is addressed several other places in the thread. Have you seen comfy and Deceptichum’s comments here?