• Gonzako@lemmy.world
      18·
      6 months ago

      I’ll be honest, I don’t even call myself a software engineer. Programmer is the better way, engineering comes with the baggage of breing able to confirm that your work won’t fall appart in the next X years. You can’t really confirm that in software.

      • andioop@programming.devEnglish
        1·
        6 months ago

        I half worry for society and half feel that as much as I feel bad about my coding abilities, I’m better than people who never actually bother learning the concepts themselves and fully outsource their homework to AI and that population is growing. It’s a low bar but more people are failing to clear it every day!

        • _g_be@lemmy.world
          211·
          6 months ago

          The students themselves are doing it, it’s not the commenter’s fault.

          From the high school and university teachers I’ve talked to, AI is commonly used and it actively undermines their learning.

          It’s a pretty new tech so many schools don’t have a solid policy on its use. It’s a mess

            • YoSoySnekBoi@kbin.earth
              8·
              6 months ago

              Using AI for everything rather than learning stops working entirely once you hit upper level courses - I can assure you most people who do this beyond sophomore year will not obtain a degree, especially at any research-oriented institution

    • for_some_delta@beehaw.org
      15·
      6 months ago

      Labor is loved whether pool boy, math whiz, engineer or programmer. Do cool stuff. Maybe we can learn to love vibe coders some day.

      Handstands are cool. I can’t hold a handstand for very long, but it still gets attention. Short handstands are vibe coding. Cool-ish, but not as cool as holding it longer.

        • jonathan7luke@lemmy.zip
          32·
          6 months ago

          I really don’t get the point of gatekeeping a job title.

          There’s no official license or certification for software engineering in the US, so anyone claiming you have to meet some requirement to call yourself a software engineer is factually wrong. Now, pretty much every tech company calls anyone who writes code some form of engineer, so much so that SDE/SWE is a pretty universal acronym.

          I really don’t care personally, and I don’t go around grouping myself in with other engineering fields. But for the past 7 or so years, my actual job title has had the word “engineer” in it despite the fact that I don’t have a Bachelor’s degree. I feel like jumping through hoops to say, “well, my official title is Software Engineer, but technically I’m a programmer” is just pedantic and probably more confusing for most people.

          I could see an argument for differentiating between those who participate heavily in the design and evolution of an entire codebase (as opposed to those who just pull tickets and write code), but even that has kind of just evolved into the junior/mid/senior/etc terminology.

          • Lemmyoutofhere@lemmy.caEnglish
            13·
            6 months ago

            The P.Eng society is working on this, so that only actual engineers can use the title engineer. Software “engineers” should just be called code monkeys.

            It many countries, like Germany, engineer is a protected designation, just like doctor.

            • jonathan7luke@lemmy.zip
              41·
              6 months ago

              The P.Eng society is working on this, so that only actual engineers can use the title engineer.

              Which is why I specified I was talking about the US. Also, fair. If the term ever actually has a clear set of requirements, then of course it would be incorrect to claim the title without meeting those requirements.

              Software “engineers” should just be called code monkeys.

              I hope you realize how elitist this comes across. I’ve worked with a lot of contractors, web developers, etc. that have a strong understanding of software development and are able to author software really well. I would be so embarrassed if they knew I referred to them as “code monkeys”. Something tells me that you’re the kind of person I’m very grateful to have never had the misfortune of working with.

      • Miaou
        2·
        6 months ago

        Then they’re not engineers, no shame in that…

  • marcos@lemmy.world
    201·
    6 months ago

    Yeah, let’s pretend the vibe-coder creates praiseworthy code when everything is working…

    • Speiser0@feddit.org
      10·
      6 months ago

      No no, it makes sense when you consider the reaction of the praising person when they have to review the PR.