Going all-in on a Wayland future
blogs.kde.org
Well folks, it’s the beginning of a new era: after nearly three decades of KDE desktop environments running on X11, the future KDE Plasma 6.8 release will be Wayland-exclusive! Support for X11 applications will be fully entrusted to Xwayland, and the Plasma X11 session will no longer be included.

cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/39342270

Well folks, it’s the beginning of a new era: after nearly three decades of KDE desktop environments running on X11, the future KDE Plasma 6.8 release will be Wayland-exclusive! Support for X11 applications will be fully entrusted to Xwayland, and the Plasma X11 session will no longer be included.

    • LeFantome@programming.dev
      8·
      5 hours ago

      KDE:

      “The Unix philosophy favors composability as opposed to monolithic design”

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_philosophy

      Xorg is a monolith with essentially one implementation. Wayland is a modular system with almost every component available from multiple sources.

      Saying adopting Wayland means you “hate UNIX” is one of the least thoughtful arguments I can imagine.

      • rhabarba@feddit.org
        14·
        10 hours ago

        X11 is already perfect as it is. Everything left was fixed in the X11Rx releases.

        • LeFantome@programming.dev
          4·
          5 hours ago

          One of the great aspects of Open Source is that you can continue to use any software you like for as long as you want. Enjoy Xorg (or your other favourite X11 server).

          Of course, a majority of Xorg devs disagreed with you which is why they started Wayland to begin with. And a majority of desktop Linux users disagree with you now as three quarters of them have switched to Wayland.

          Wayland offers a lot that X11 does not at this point. So, nobody is coming back. But if you are happy with X, stick with it.

          You are going to lose access to a lot of apps though. There are very few Wayland only apps now but there are going to be many more in the coming years. And when toolkits like GTK5 go Wayland only, you may lose a some you already use.

          • rhabarba@feddit.org
            1·
            5 hours ago

            But if you are happy with X, stick with it.

            There is no Wayland on some of the systems I use.

      • rhabarba@feddit.org
        114·
        13 hours ago

        Linux is not UNIX. And X isn’t part of POSIX.

        Please refrain from replying to things I haven’t said. None of your points invalidate mine.

        • Alaknár@sopuli.xyzEnglish
          61·
          10 hours ago

          So, you just decided to say “KDE: we hate Unix” for no reason whatsoever, because it has no relation to the OP at all?

          • rhabarba@feddit.org
            15·
            8 hours ago

            It does have a relation. KDE worked just well on most Unices for decades. “Going all-in” on Wayland means that they’ll drop support for all operating systems except Linuces and FreeBSD. There are two explanations for that:

            1. They don’t care about (most of) Unix.
            2. They actively despise (most of) Unix.

            I’m not quite sure where you’re misunderstanding me here. Care to elaborate?

            • ferret@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
              61·
              8 hours ago

              I guess their mention that X isn’t part of POSIX very much applies, despite you being dismissive of it. This is an absurd take. Wayland can obviously be ported to whatever is still developed. It’s just software.