❝ The clearest example of that is the #Nakba in 1948: Armed Israeli forces expelled & displaced most of the Palestinian people from their homeland, destroyed hundreds of villages to their foundations, and confiscated homes & land for the purpose of “Judaizing the country” ❞
#Haaretz https://archive.md/Sv0FX
Don’t expect this to be published on your national papers.
#Gaza #SaveGaza #StopIsrael #SanctionIsrael #BDS
#palestine #Israel #Politics #Genocide #CeasefireNow
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Yes we should boycott Israel to stop what they’re doing now to civilians. That doesn’t mean Israel has no right to exist or that Jews should be persecuted now. There were a lot of bad thangs that happened on many sides related to, and after wwii. Just like there were a lot of bad things that happened in the Americas to establish what are recognized countries now. And the same pretty much anywhere if you go back in history long enough. When you conflate the issues of Israel’s existence with Israel’s current policies in Gaza, you weaken your call to stop the human rights abuses in Gaza right now. Stay focused!
Israel has no right to exist though. Technically, no state does. Its existence is a matter of might not right. The Palestinians though have a right to exist on their land including that which they were forcefully removed from in 1947-1948, 1967 and 2023-2025.
Their existence is predicated on human rights abuses, including apartheid. What a load of horseshit. Zionism is a colonial ideology and no decent human being would support it
Ok, stick with that and lose support. It’s very sad when the people of Gaza need our support against the extremists running Israel right now, but people like you keep screwing them over by going just as extreme the other way.
It isn’t “extreme” to be against colonialism and human rights abuses. Providing cover for your fellow zionists is what let brought this about.
On a practical level, Israel isn’t going anywhere, so calling for its destruction isn’t going to accomplish anything except make you look like a fanatic and be ignored by sane people.
But that’s very different from calling out their human rights abuses. That we should do loud and clear. The key is to be ‘clear’. Stop burying that message under fanatic anti Jewish sounding rhetoric.
Colonialism is another matter, which I’m not sure really applies at all, but if it does then it’s too late to undo the existence of Israel just as it’s too late to undo the existence of the U.S., or any other historical colonies. Sure we can and should push against further colonialism in the world, as well as wars of conquest, genocides and other terrible things. But calling for the destruction of Israel makes you the bad-guy which we should push against. We need to push for practical change which comes from education, and communications without blind hate and retribution.
Why aren’t you sure? Zionist leaders made it very clear:
[It is the] iron law of every colonizing movement, a law which knows of no exceptions, a law which existed in all times and under all circumstances. If you wish to colonize a land in which people are already living, you must provide a garrison on your behalf. Or else – or else, give up your colonization, for without an armed force which will render physically impossible any attempts to destroy or prevent this colonization, colonization is impossible, not “difficult”, not “dangerous” but IMPOSSIBLE! … Zionism is a colonizing adventure and therefore it stands or falls by the question of armed force. It is important to build, it is important to speak Hebrew, but, unfortunately, it is even more important to be able to shoot – or else I am through with playing at colonialization.
As quoted by Lenni Brenner, in The Iron Wall: Zionist Revisionism from Jabotinsky to Shamir (1984), where the quotation is cited as being from “The Iron Law”
[Emphasis mine]
Israel does not equal Judaism/Jewish people. I’d argue that claim is antisemitic because that would mean that murder, rape, racism, apartheid, colonialism, theft, etc are somehow traits inherent to Jewish people.
Nonetheless when you call for an end to Israel, you are calling for the genocide or displacement of millions of Jewish people, so you come across as antisemitic. You may think Israel doesn’t have a right to exist, but it’s been around for many decades and for generations - it’s not going anywhere. And calling for it’s destruction only mutes your voice as you come across as a violent extremist and only enforce Israel’s arguments for why they need to continue their war on Gaza. It would be much more productive to call for human rights to be respected, for a ceasefire, for return of hostages/prisoners, etc.
Israelis are not victims, they are mostly European colonists who have been raping and pillaging since 1947. I don’t give a rats ass if you, a zionist, think that’s antisemitism. You’ve played that card out and are the reason for actual danger to Jewish people worldwide because it is now a meaningless word.
But what do you see as a path forward? If you want the destruction of Israel, the genocide of Jews, then they will be victims; they are rightly fearful of giving up any power. If you want a two state solution with a peaceful border, then say so and stop sounding like an extremist - it only weakens your voice.
Defending the existence of Israel means you are calling for the genocide or displacement of millions of Palestinians.
It’s 2025 nobody is using that dumb fuck argument anymore.
The entity shouldn’t exist the same way rape babies should be aborted.
And that is the attitude that gets you dismissed as a violent extremist, or worse reenforces Israel’s rational for why they need to keep fighting in Gaza.