I’ll go firstt:
1: Regularly thinking that girls got all the cute clothes
2: Buying female clothes (skirt and some underwear) for “cross dressing”
3: Feeling physical pain when having to put off bought female clothes to go outside
4: Imagining yourself as the women in porn (that’s why I at first though I was “just gay”)
5: Being sad when thinking about trans people and realising I couldn’t transition because I’m not trans
6: Absolutely suppressing every form of thought when thinking about “the trans topic” (in a way that sometimes I reflected myself and thought that I may be trans, but I 100% suppressed those thoughts knowing damn well, that this wasn’t that much of a good strategy. This also included the thought “acts trans, looks trans, probably is trans”, that crossed my mind after taking LSD for the first time)
7: Dissociating kinda regularly. Happened usually when reading fantasy books. Didnt realise it was dissociation until like 3 weeks ago
Probably missed some stuff but those are the most significant ones. Quite a lot of stuff are signs that appears around the last year or so.
I spent so, so much time in trans subreddits, especially /r/egg_irl.
It took over two years of basically exclusively looking at trans memes, “to get a better understanding of the trans experience as an ally”, for me to start considering I might be trans!
I also recall a time near the beginning of that trans meme phase where I said to a friend “I think I’m probably non-binary”. He was like “what?” to which I answered “what?” and I just left it at that, not even a hint of introspection.
lol, I also spent a lot of time on /r/egg_irl and knew about egg culture and so on, and still didn’t get that I was an egg. I found the memes relatable and while it was fine to joke that I might be an egg, I didn’t take it seriously.
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I was so relieved when my wife came out to me as bisexual, you know, “just in case”
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Being jealous of women for having all the fun colors and variety in clothing, feeling dejected that men’s fashion was much more utilitarian and boring
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Feeling uncomfortable and not knowing how to act in groups of all men
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Having the thought “if I could decide for myself on a do-over, I’d want to be a lesbian woman”. I assumed all men felt this way lol
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Hating and vigorously resisting the gendered uniform rules enforced by my Catholic school (like growing my hair as long as possible, and the school had to make a rule saying that boys couldn’t wear jewelry other than a religious medal or a watch)
the school had to make a rule saying that boys couldn’t wear jewelry other than a religious medal or a watch
That’s one of the dumbest rules I ever heard. I’m not that much of a fan of school uniforms, but you can devinetively argue, that it reduces the chances for bullying when everyone’s wears the same clothes. However, that is just straight up bullshit.
I’ve heard that argument in favor of uniforms, but it also happens that then the kids with older, hand-me-down uniforms just wind up being bullied. In my opinion, suppressing children’s self-expression through uniforms does more harm than good.
But yeah, it was very dumb. I guess no boys had ever tried to wear jewelry before, but then I came along wearing necklaces and multiple rings, and they had to shut that right down. I do take a small amount of pride in being rebellious enough to cause a rule to be made haha
But now as an adult, it’s so weird - why were a bunch of adults so concerned about whether a kid in elementary school likes to wear rings?
but it also happens that then the kids with older, hand-me-down uniforms just wind up being bullied
I know, this is also why I dont like the “bully argument” because no matter what kids will always find something to bully others over.
But now as an adult, it’s so weird - why were a bunch of adults so concerned about whether a kid in elementary school likes to wear rings?
I dont know, but I completely agree. That’s simply straight up stupid. No ones is getting hurt and no one should care. Instead the adults should teach the kids to step outside of boxes to form a more tolerant and accepting generation.
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I remember thinking “No way I am lucky enough to be trans femme, I am not that special.” Yeahhh… not the brightest bulb
Lots of relatable experiences itt. I’ll add a couple things
*For a school assignment, I was required to call myself a crossdresser for a day and it felt like it was a little too on-the-nose for what was mostly supposed to be a silly scarlet letter assignment.
*I realized I specifically wanted an orchi and tried looking up excuses to get one without considering side effects (didn’t realize loss of hormone production without replacement was a problem) or considering that it might somehow be related to related to gender. I had 0 clue why it was so appealing and I refused to think about that for even a second.
Literally wishing that I was trans so that I could access bottom surgery
I never really tried putting all of this in a list before. It’s always just random stuff popping up when I think about this. Some of these memories are over 30 years old. And I repressed a lot of them.
So this is just a short list. There’s more, but some of it is too personal for me to share.- Having a phase where I tried wearing masculine office wear (but no ties) and feeling very out of place.
- Never shaving my beard, because I don’t want to see what’s underneath. Using it as a mask to hide behind.
- Hating the general shape of my body
- Feeling very out of place in all-male groups.
- Feeling very in place when spending time with the few female friends that I did have.
- Internally wincing at being called handsome
- Looking enviously at my wife as she squeezes herself in a tight pair of pants, making me wish I didn’t have to deal with all that dangling stuff between my legs.
- Being very involved with helping my wife pick out clothes.
- Playing an online game under a female persona. *Pretending* to be a girl and really enjoying my interactions with everyone. Making a few female friendships that felt genuine and made me happy. And then deleting the whole account for feeling guilty because I believed I was deceiving others :(
- Writing a game module in my teens, wherein all the adventurers were turned into women by a wizard’s curse. And dropping it after a couple of hours when I realize having six women try out different dresses doesn’t make for an exciting fantasy adventure (and was getting uncomfortably close to a truth that I wasn’t ready to face)
- Thinking how nice it would’ve been if I were a lesbian instead.
- Trying out pantyhose and wearing it under my pants when I was a teenager. (Weird when under pants, better on its own when I was home alone :) )
- Also in my teens, fantasizing an entire alternate life as a girl when I was lying in bed.
- Feeling strangely positive when a girl in my class said that I walk like a girl.
- And of course, always choosing a female character when playing games. (With a whole bunch of other in-game activities that could form a list of it’s own)
Never shaving my beard, because I don’t want to see what’s underneath. Using it as a mask to hide behind.
This is very interesting. I have two MtF friends who both went through a period of having handlebar mustaches prior to transitioning. One of them hated looking in the mirror, and experimented with facial hair as a way to distract from her adam’s apple.
Is it okay for someone agender to join in this discussion?
I relate to some of these, but I don’t experience dysphoria. I was raised female but I feel zero attachment to any particular gender expression.
Some things that come to mind:
- Never minding when somebody called me “one of the guys”
- Finding it funny when people mistook me for a boy
- I was always fascinated by medical shows, especially ones where people transitioned
- Fantasizing about freely switching between genders
- I used to make up stories with my dolls where people switched genders. Most of my Barbies got their heads swapped with Kens at some point in time.
- I hated make up. Still don’t want any. Whenever someone put make up on me, I lamented that I “didn’t look like me.”
- Dressing androgynously and choosing androgynous hair cuts
- Purposely shopping for “men’s” clothes to add to my wardrobe
- Being offended when people wanted to give me a “make over.” I guess this is something girls are supposed to be excited about, but I always thought it was a judgy way to say something was “wrong” with how I presented myself as a woman.
- Not feeling attached to any particular pronoun. I don’t like being asked about it, because I truly do not care.
My appearance is unequivocally female today, but it’s not something I care hard enough about to change. It would require significant top surgery. If I lost my breasts I think others would be more upset than I would be - I’d just double-down on the androgynous look I had before these puppies grew so much. I have told friends (both trans and cis female alike) that I’d happily donate breast tissue to them if I could.
Anyway, so that’s an agendered woman’s experiences.
I was Narnia deep in denial, but the signs were there.
- I knew I liked guys since I was like five, and even experimented with sex with boys at that age, but it didn’t feel quite right. I do not like gay porn so I can’t be gay, right? Better get a couple kids and a couple wives.
- My cousin wanted to put makeup on me and god I wanted that. Didn’t dare to say yes.
- Jokes about wanting to wear dresses because they aren’t as restricting as pants and nicer when it’s warm. A lot of similar jokes, you know the ones. “Trying to lose a bit of weight, it’s soon bikini season.”
- I think I remember every trans reference I’ve ever heard.
- When being depressed I constructed elaborate fantasies about myself as a woman.
- Bad mental health
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I was on suicide watch and during a breakdown blurting out “I’m living a lie” and blam, the mental wall came down. Not an allowed train of thought. Fifteen years later, I finally got it.
- Always hating how I looked in the mirror. I recently realized I look kinda hot as a guy. Skinny, androgynous and a nice smile. I’d totally let me do me. Is that weird?
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Cutting off the penis of a male doll. My mum did not react well to that incident. Probably thought I had serial murderer tendencies or something.
There were other signs too of course.
One thing I remember is gaining muscle after working out for a few months and feeling this really confusing sadness when I noticed that my shoulders got broader. I was so confused as to why so many guys liked being muscular but it just made me really depressed instead. Took me a while to realize that that strange feeling was actually gender dysphoria.
Same, though I always tried to focus on pecs with as targeted of exercises as possible. When the gain spilled over into shoulders I started to panic and stopped going to the gym.
A lot of mine are the same as ones that were listed, so here are the most stupidly obvious ones I somehow missed (or ignored) for like a decade.
- I hoped my future partner would be bisexual “just in case”
- Always being weirdly interested in watching trans youtubers and learning about HRT “as an ally”
- And also weirdly envious of lesbian relationships, yet finding it hard to imagine myself in a relationship as a guy
- Whenever I’d see a transition timeline, my immediate thought for transmasc ones was “good for them!”, but for transfem ones it was “dang, that’s goals” followed by “wait I’m cis, where did that come from”
- I “knew” I wasn’t trans, but kinda wished I could be
- Just before finally fully admitting I was trans I started HRT so I’d “know for sure”, and was worried that after starting I would realize I wasn’t trans and not be able to keep transitioning lol
Oof, I’m right there on #6. I have my estrogen, but I haven’t started it yet, because I want to freeze sperm first, but I have this nagging fear of taking it and realizing I’m not trans enough to keep transitioning. A very cis thought to have, I’m sure.
Yeah, honestly that was the thought that finally pushed me over the edge into accepting I was a trans girl instead of nonbinary or genderfluid or something. Like, I wanted so badly to be a girl at that point that my fear when starting HRT wasn’t "what if I’m making a mistake’, it was “what if I don’t get to be a girl”, which was so obviously trans that it was enough even for me lol.
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Always playing girls or male none-humans in pretty much all forms of fiction
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Hating the way guys treated girls (most often in dating)
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Rejecting traditional masculinity, hated the idea that it was expected to act like that
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Ungodly ammounts of trans related porn and no interested in traditional one
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Very open and radical pro-choice position, even from a relarively young age
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Being around guys was always scary and wrong, while being around girls made me feel safe and in the correct place
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You could not bring me to undress in front of guys
Oh wow, that last one.
I got more exercise running to high school gym class so I could change before anyone else showed up than I ever got in the class period itself.
Didn’t help that I’d basically figured nyself out at 11 and immediately went into denial for years. >_<
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Imagining that it was perfectly rational to keep a complete set of women’s clothes in the house just in case you end up having someone over who has somewhere important to be the next day and no clean clothes to wear.
Gonna be honest, that’s one of the wildest singns I’ve seen ever.
Every girl i dated was a lesbian and I was “their only exception”.
- Hated being topless, even while swimming
- Curious how having boobs would feel
- Drawn to lesbian relationships
- Never even tried to look good as a man
- Been taking antidepressants since a little after puberty
- Cried when a psychiatry form asked if I had thoughts of being the opposite gender
- Hated being juxtaposed to men
- Didn’t dream much about romance or sex because every time I thought about them they would just feel underwhelming and draining
- When I imagined myself following a similar life path to my dad or any other male figure, I felt like life wasn’t worth living if that was my future
- Wished I was born a different person, because I had no attachment to who I was and nothing to lose
- Disassociating in the mirror
- Hated being seen as a big man, I wanted to be seen as soft instead
- Just like, all the signs that who I presented as made me feel awful
I’m a cis man and I’ve experienced 2, 3, and 9
That’s part of what can be so hard about gender exploration is figuring out when something makes you “trans enough” - lots of trans experiences can overlap with cis experiences. Lots of people feel awkward or insecure in their gender.
One of the main ways people help differentiate is to focus on the question of whether you have a deep desire to be the opposite sex. A common thought experiment is whether you would press a button that causes you to wake up the next morning as the opposite sex, but it’s irreversible, you have to live the rest of your life that way. Would you press the button?
I can only imagine how hard that would be. I already feel awkward and insecure about the shit going on in my life that feels pretty benign by comparison.
tbf, most of my stuff also felt like not a huge deal at the time, I just had no point of reference to see how bad it really was. Now that I have a reference, I see that the gap between being fine and being very not fine is much smaller than I’d thought for most of my life, it’s not like it’s gatekept behind suffering Enough™. I guess the same sentiment goes for gender, autism, and a bunch of other things.