How about other meat like chickens?
I raise my own and kill them when they get old. I feel pretty vindicated in that my little system is pretty sustainable. I do sometimes supplement it with store chicken, but try to go for locally sourced meat when I do.
That chicken feed grown on farmland that used to be woodland and is now sprayed with pesticides to increase yield?
Is it shipped to the store on diesel trucks?
I don’t want to judge you, this isn’t about any one person. It’s about how all of us are part of the system. We all benefit and we all suffer from it. No ethical consumption under capitalism.
I joined this conversation replying to someone who said they don’t benefit from the capitalist pollution system. They do, I do, you do. None of us is independent.
Sooner or later we’re going to have to give up these capitalist luxuries. Only then can we experience the riches of socialism. They won’t be the same riches. We’re going to need to change.
We were buying feed, but we are working on a formula for a mash-feed based off grain and grass we grow. I know it is just an example of the larger problem you mentioned we are all living through, but all of us can refuse to partake by buying second hand and growing what we can ourselves. Small animals are a very effective source of protein and don’t have nearly the same carbon footprint that beef or pork has. Just here to offer a different perspective on the issue we both see/acknowledge.
Over half of all humans as of 2020 live in cities.
Cities on average (at least in the US) have 5-15% green space compared to their built environment.
Sustainability considers not only environment and health, but also the welfare of the birds themselves.
Free range is thought to be the highest standard of welfare for bird raising. The USDA doesn’t have a definition for how much acreage is the bare minimum to reach this status, but the EU defines this as 1 bird per 43 sq ft. This is compared to many plants that require 36 sq ft or less to grow.
All of this is to say that the majority of people don’t have good access to sufficient land to raise their own chickens, let alone other animals for consumption or even vegetables as with community gardens.
If we want to be more sustainable with our food production, we need to look at how how our food systems work and how we can better integrate them with the places we live in via zoning and urban design. That mentality lends itself better to plant-based farming, which is more sustainable overall compared to the convention.
Respectfully thats a terrifying stat, as someone with a passionate dislike of cities!
Yeah my birds freerange. My land was cheap enough I think most people who rent in a major city could afford it without much issue.
We farm vegetables too, but besides the butchering aspect the chicken farming is honestly easier to automate, set and forget.
I feel like a goal may be to teach people how to get back in touch with more natural, unchanged land, and how to live in sync with it, instead of making more people reliant on urbanization and manmade supply chains. My little local community may not be as efficient or provide as much output as a suburb or city block, but we have displaced less local fauna and help each other with maintaining what we have instead of buying new products. Its a different way of looking at things, but it is rewarding in its own right.
How about other meat like chickens? I raise my own and kill them when they get old. I feel pretty vindicated in that my little system is pretty sustainable. I do sometimes supplement it with store chicken, but try to go for locally sourced meat when I do.
You buy chicken feed?
That chicken feed grown on farmland that used to be woodland and is now sprayed with pesticides to increase yield?
Is it shipped to the store on diesel trucks?
I don’t want to judge you, this isn’t about any one person. It’s about how all of us are part of the system. We all benefit and we all suffer from it. No ethical consumption under capitalism.
I joined this conversation replying to someone who said they don’t benefit from the capitalist pollution system. They do, I do, you do. None of us is independent.
Sooner or later we’re going to have to give up these capitalist luxuries. Only then can we experience the riches of socialism. They won’t be the same riches. We’re going to need to change.
We were buying feed, but we are working on a formula for a mash-feed based off grain and grass we grow. I know it is just an example of the larger problem you mentioned we are all living through, but all of us can refuse to partake by buying second hand and growing what we can ourselves. Small animals are a very effective source of protein and don’t have nearly the same carbon footprint that beef or pork has. Just here to offer a different perspective on the issue we both see/acknowledge.
Over half of all humans as of 2020 live in cities.
Cities on average (at least in the US) have 5-15% green space compared to their built environment.
Sustainability considers not only environment and health, but also the welfare of the birds themselves.
Free range is thought to be the highest standard of welfare for bird raising. The USDA doesn’t have a definition for how much acreage is the bare minimum to reach this status, but the EU defines this as 1 bird per 43 sq ft. This is compared to many plants that require 36 sq ft or less to grow.
All of this is to say that the majority of people don’t have good access to sufficient land to raise their own chickens, let alone other animals for consumption or even vegetables as with community gardens.
If we want to be more sustainable with our food production, we need to look at how how our food systems work and how we can better integrate them with the places we live in via zoning and urban design. That mentality lends itself better to plant-based farming, which is more sustainable overall compared to the convention.
Respectfully thats a terrifying stat, as someone with a passionate dislike of cities!
Yeah my birds freerange. My land was cheap enough I think most people who rent in a major city could afford it without much issue.
We farm vegetables too, but besides the butchering aspect the chicken farming is honestly easier to automate, set and forget.
I feel like a goal may be to teach people how to get back in touch with more natural, unchanged land, and how to live in sync with it, instead of making more people reliant on urbanization and manmade supply chains. My little local community may not be as efficient or provide as much output as a suburb or city block, but we have displaced less local fauna and help each other with maintaining what we have instead of buying new products. Its a different way of looking at things, but it is rewarding in its own right.