The two progressive lawmakers have addressed massive crowds in solidly red states including Idaho and Utah in recent days, as party of the national Fighting Oligarchy Tour.

A survey taken by Harvard’s Center for American Political Studies and Harris between April 9-10 found that 72% of Democratic voters supported politicians like Sanders (I-Vt.) and Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.), “who are calling on Democrats to adopt a more aggressive stance towards Trump and his administration and ‘fight harder’,” rather than leaders who are willing to “compromise” with President Donald Trump.

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      “Context” says the guy bringing out-of-context (yet objectively correct) Bernie quotes, meant to paint him as some establishment shill. Especially now as he’s doing tours around the country to get people to rally against the fascist oligarchs and pass on the progressive mantle to someone younger, instead of I dunno staying home with his family because he’s old and should rest and enjoy his old years — it’s not like he’s running for president. He owes nothing to no one, he gains nothing from this, but he did it anyway because he saw that this is the best shot progressives will get to take hold of the Democratic Party, now that it’s weak and confused. And it’s working.

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        In regards to this conversation they are not out of context at all. It’s alright. You want to believe in the false idol and throw reason out the window.

        2028

        “We must vote for Shapiro to save democracy.”

        Bookmark it.

        I’ll be 100% honest with you that I hope he proves me wrong in the best way possible, I just happen to remember the context of his recent history.

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          He might not live that long…

          I don’t know the future, depends a lot on the environment. But if you’re in a general election with two viable choices, one is a pro-corporate pro-democracy candiate and the other a pro-corporate anti-democracy candidate, then objectively speaking, if you want to save democracy you have to vote the first choice.

          By “viable” I mean someone you know people will vote enough to be able to take on the candidate who does the most damage. I’m sorry but a Jill Stein like figure who only pops up in election years with the stated goal of siphoning votes from the less horrible candidate, that’s not what I’d call viable. They could be if they fought for ranked choice voting — then there would be no concern of siphoning votes.

          General elections aren’t so much about fixing everything then and there, they’re more about maintaining the environment necessary for changes to happen via public pressure, activism, protests, direct action, even future elections (all of which are way more precarious now that the greater evil won).

          People make voting in the general seem like such a heroic act of defiance to “reject the duopoly”, but that’s just an aestheticization of politics, a way for people to say a visceral “fuck you” to the system while fucking themselves too and getting nothing in return except schadenfreude. Making voting into an identity is peak liberal virtue signaling (even when leftists do it, even when MAGA does it), and it’s costing us everything.

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            I don’t know how anyone can honestly believe democrats are pro-democracy when they literally locked the people out of the primaries.

            It’s clear as day that they sabotoged the whole process.

            It’s either ignorance or willful blindness.

            Don’t ever expect change when you keep voting for the people who deny it to you.

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              You’re clinging to semantics here, which is very frustrating — and honestly not helpful at all except for edgy leftists who can’t stand engaging pragmatically with electoralism because it makes them feel dirty.

              When I say pro-democracy, I mean they’re not explicitly anti-democracy, that is not explicitly pro-dismantling-democracy-forever-with-high-priority the way the other guys demonstrably are. So yes, given the context, we’re grading on a curve here — obviously. That’s why we say they’re the lesser evil as opposed to “the good guys”. Jesus fuck, some people really want to be the smuggest person in the death camp. Right now Bernie’s your only shot, but I’m not your boss, keep shitting on him.

              It’s clear as day that they sabotoged the whole process.

              And who did they sabotage it against? Jesus Christ!

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                    “When I say pro-democracy I mean they aren’t explicity anti-democracy like the other people - they are just quiet about it altogether and since they aren’t telling me that they hate me directly I can respect and vote for that again.”

                    Brainworms.