Well, as the title says, I Am curious what Dysphoria feels like for you? When/how did you realise, that certain feelings are in reality Dysphoria?

Edit: Damn, some of you really have lived through a lot. I Am very happy that I can’t really relate to quite some of the comments here, because that sounds horrible.

  • dandelion@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    Dysphoria before I knew it was dysphoria:

    • 4 years old, I won a girl’s doll at a fair, the attendant wouldn’t let me have it, and they gave it to one of my sisters - I was devastated and felt it was unfair to deny me the doll because I was a boy - I wanted to play with the doll.
    • 5 years old being told my family expected me to be born a girl and they were surprised when I was a boy, I thought it was a genuine mistake I had been born a boy, that I was somehow secretly meant to be a girl instead - that the universe made a mistake (and that maybe someday it would be corrected or work itself out).
    • 5 - 10 years old, I was jealous of my sisters and felt excluded, I wanted to be included as a peer. Didn’t think about the gender relevance of this, just didn’t like the way being a boy alienated me.
    • 10 - 15 years old, I was absolutely miserable having male friends, I felt huge relief when my family moved and I lost my friends, and made mostly female friends from then on, though that was frustrating, I didn’t want to be a “male friend”, I wished I could just be accepted as one of the girls
    • 15 years old, dark hairs growing on my legs, despite feeling insecure about not being masculine enough (and desiring “normal” male development) and feeling unsafe being targeted for being too feminine, I secretly shaved my legs with a razor nobody knew I had access to
    • 16 - 17 years old, I kept trying to find a way to take a selfie of me that felt OK, nothing worked. The things I tried to make it better were adding a cute leaf to my hair, using hair pins, etc. - feminizing intuitively seemed to be what helped, but it wasn’t enough. I hated pictures of me as long as I could remember, no photo of me ever looked right. I didn’t know why, I didn’t have the thought that it was related to gender.
    • 19 years old, tried makeup but hated the way it felt like a contrast between a feminine expression on a male body, it made me feel so much worse every time I would see myself in the mirror after trying something feminine. Nonetheless, I was wearing skirts and women’s clothing, and going to stores to buy them. No idea how to explain it, I didn’t know what to think - I just thought skirts felt more comfortable and right. I even wore women’s jeans and pants, etc. They just fit better, I liked them and they were more comfortable.
    • 20 - 30 years old, once or twice I tried makeup again. Makeup always made me feel worse, as my body finally masculinized in ways it hadn’t before (my puberty was slow to kick in and weak, I never developed body hair on a lot of my body and I couldn’t grow a beard until my 20s). The makeup clashed more and more with my increasingly male body. My shoulders became broad from manual labor jobs. My hands became calloused mitts. My voice masculinized more, I started growing a beard. I felt afraid and insecure in my masculinity, and in my 20s I started to really “pass” more as a genuine man, I learned how to dress and act more like a man. I hated it, but I always felt disconnected from my body and it was safer than being targeted as a feminine man, perceived of as gay. I liked that my beard hid my face. I wore dresses and skirts secretly at home, the only clothes that felt “right”, they just were comfortable. Didn’t make anything of it.

    Once I realized I am probably trans (at which point I thought I had no dysphoria), the realization suddenly melted a lot of my coping mechanisms like extreme dissociation and just ignoring everything as much as possible.

    I went to Sephora and took a private class in how to apply makeup (expensive, but was so helpful for me), having the right products and knowing how to apply makeup to feminize my face made it helpful for the first time.

    I started to get laser hair removal, and afterwards my face would be so puffy and raw in a beard pattern, I would feel acutely suicidal from it. Makeup actually helped me regain some semblance of my face and reduced dysphoria somewhat.

    Dysphoria is still hard for me to identify, esp. when it initiates with dissociation. During sex this is often the case, I didn’t realize I had bottom dysphoria until I realized I always dissociated during sex. Sometimes bottom dysphoria just feels like being really embarrassed about my genitals. Sometimes it means leaving my body and having a hard time being present. Sometimes it means suddenly feeling bad and breaking down crying.

    My testes and scrotum have always felt more overtly dysphoric - like revolting alien appendages on my body. Orchi helped a lot, esp. when walking or wearing clothes, but the presence of a scrotum still makes me quite dysphoric.

    I personally think one reason the dysphoria kicked in so hard after transitioning is that I went from feeling like society expected me to having these genitals to starting to feel like these were the “wrong” genitals, that I should have different genitals. So there are many sources and pressures that impact the severity and nature of the dysphoria. It’s complicated and hard for me to really understand.

    I typically get laser on my face once every 5 weeks, and two weeks after an appointment the hair starts to fall out. I have a week or two where I feel much better, and then as the beard shadow comes back I increasingly feel worse about myself. That was a surprising aspect of dysphoria - even a subtle or small beard shadow has a lot of power over my mood and self-perception, and in ways I didn’t directly link except that it became a recurring pattern that was noticed.

    • NCC-21166 (she/her)@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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      Are you me? I see quite a lot of parallels here. I am sorry you dealt with this, too. I haven’t started electrolysis yet (soon, hopefully) and a friend made a comment about my five o’clock shadow today. I was visibly upset to the point that my spouse was squeezing my hand. It wasn’t his fault since he doesn’t know yet, but it still stings.

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        It’s shocking how similar our experiences can be - I remember reading Yes, You Are Trans Enough by Mia Violet in the first weeks after egg-cracking and social transition, and I was shocked how similar we were, even down to the internet subcommunities we were in as teenagers and so on.

        I started thinking I was nothing like trans women, and after learning what trans women are like, I learned that I am a walking stereotype.

        And beard shadow is the devil, I really thought I was indifferent to it, but apparently I am not. I hate the way I look when even a tiny amount of beard shadow is showing, not even enough for most people to notice.

        I’m sorry you had someone point it out, ick - I avoided situations like that by socially transitioning as soon as my egg cracked, I came out immediately to everyone. That had its downsides, like trying to live as a woman and dress full fem without any HRT was extremely difficult, and looking back I realize now it was an unnecessary hardship.

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      I have a week or two where I feel much better, and then as the beard shadow comes back I increasingly feel worse about myself.

      Yes! Now I’ve seen my face without shadow it’s awful when it comes back. Getting there, though.

      Also, re friends: from ages 11 to 21 I was in an almost exclusively male environment: I basically didn’t interact with women, so I thought it was natural to long for and be fascinated by femininity. Sure enough it didn’t take long for most of my friends to be women once I met some. I’d probably have cracked much sooner if not for that.

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        I interacted with women at those ages, and made friends - but I was in a neighborhood where a group of boys had made friends with me, and my mom encouraged the relationships so much that they often would host sleepovers and center everything around her house, so I was sorta stuck in a hyper-masculine environment during middle school. So while I preferred my female friends at school, it was an age where boys and girls didn’t hang out much together, and when my time and space at home was dominated by boys by default.

        Moving away and then going to high school, the kids were more mature and platonic relationships between boys and girls became more common.

        It was a confusing time, looking back I think some of my infatuation with some of the girls might have been more about wanting to be really good friends and feeling an affinity for them, and confusing that for romantic desires (looking back there wasn’t an erotic drive as much as what I would now characterize as strong affinity and a desire for close friendship that wasn’t possible without dating).

        So I was lucky to not technically be stuck in a male-only environment, but it felt enough like that to me - and I was miserable despite not understanding why - I came up with rationalizations about how the boys are just really violent, I never felt safe around them, and how inconsiderate they were - boys always left a mess whenever they would visit, and they never asked if they should help clean-up, etc. I felt used all the time, and like I was doing a lot of emotional and physical labor for them without much reciprocity.

        Girls on the other hand were really considerate, they shared in emotional labor (listening and asking about you as well as bitching about their own stuff), they never engaged in random acts of violence and I felt safer around them, and so on.

        All that said, I’m surprised you think your egg would have cracked sooner if not for the male environment, I wonder what you attribute to that?

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          Simply because I needed to meet some women for my perception to switch from “unfathomable sex objects” to “people I like to be around”. Which it did, very quickly, and even if I didn’t know why it was immediately clear to me that I liked, even preferred, hanging out with women as friends. One of the first times I was able to express, even jokingly, a desire to be more feminine was to a group of girlfriends. My egg exploded soon after.

          It’s possible social pressures would have kept boys and girls apart like you describe, but otoh I’ve always been a bit of a deliberate outcast, and I’d probably have quite enjoyed defying those expectations.

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            ahh, interesting. My world was dominated by women from the time I was born, I often thought that was why I wanted to be a woman (and a reason I used to discount the possibility I was trans, it’s just “normal” to feel that pressure as the only boy, etc.).

            My denial survived

            • being a teenager and asking one of my female friends to organize a girls night for me where I would try to dress up as a woman and hang out with them socially as a girl (nothing trans here!),
            • it survived telling my boss that I’m not gay because I’m not attracted to men that much, but it’s almost like I’m gay because it’s like I’m a woman on the inside (nothing trans there!), and
            • it survived decades of cross-dressing and choosing a female name for myself and trying to feminize my voice when I was around my partner (again, I absolutely am not trans!!).

            Looking back, I don’t see how it wasn’t obvious, but even now I have imposter syndrome and endless doubting.

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              I’m not gay because I’m not attracted to men that much, but it’s almost like I’m gay because it’s like I’m a woman on the inside

              I feel you. Had the exact same thing. I first thought I was gay, but I never really liked the appearance of men. This was quite confusing.

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                to be fair, taking estrogen made my attraction to men much stronger, where before I never saw a man IRL and felt sexual desire, now there are times where I do (and strongly so, the way I might feel attraction to a woman). I think part of what was going on was that being attracted to a man as a man made no sense to me, but being attracted to a man as a woman does make sense - but more than that I think it’s just hormones, the estrogen flipped a switch and balanced out my bisexuality from incidental to moderate.

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              Oh, dear–the closet wasn’t even glass! I do get the “almost like I’m gay, but for women” thing, though.

              Funny thing about imposter syndrome: I can reflect on past signs all day long and still feel it, but thinking about the joy I get from presenting femme or the effects of HRT puts it to bed. Or rather, I don’t care if I’m faking it if I get to feel this good. Euphoria is the way to go!