• SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world
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    6 days ago

    In a nation where we don’t have to constantly protect ourselves from the state, we should not need to be saturated with deadly weapons.

    Unfortunately, that is not the state of things in this nation.

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      I’m the most staunch anti-gun European guy you can get, and even I’m starting to come around to that mindset in the case of the US. Of course it’s absolutely horrible because it implies y’all going into civil war and like, you know, no one should want that, but it sure is starting to look like Nazi hunting season over there.

      It absolutely baffles me to be saying that, guns/violence should never have to be in the equation at all.

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      5 days ago

      It was never the state of things IMO, we’ve always needed weapons, just not if you grew up in the burbs.

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        5 days ago

        No, we haven’t had concentration camps like this before. Even the Japanese internment camps, while shameful and tragic, were arguably not as bad as what’s developing.

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          What I’m saying is you’ve never been free from state injustice or even other people trying to unjustly enrich themselves. I’m saying things are bad now because more folks aren’t armed. They just let the state bulldoze right over them. Most of us are too complacent to defend our sisters and brothers as they let the state exploit certain members and groups of its citizenry. We just look at ourselves and thank the stars it’s not happening to us. Well that mentality is how we got here. Letting the rich and those with power beat us down again and again striping away our power and our futures to enrich a class of elites that only detest us and would eradicate us if they didn’t need us.

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              5 days ago

              What is your suggestion then? We have a powwow where we sing kumbaya and hold each other’s hands? Genuine question BTW.

              Trump and his oligarch friends have instituted “might makes right” and no amount of peaceful protest is going to matter short of large scale self-imposed austerity to hit them in their pocket books, which I think most Americans are too weak-willed to dedicate to. The Dems are complicit too, that’s why they do nothing to combat it. Have you noticed how the elites have only gotten rich and powerful since all this started? That’s elites from every walk of life, maybe even especially liberal elites.

              I’m not saying wonton violence is the answer, but these power tripping fascists will think twice about oppressing a well armed proletariat or feel the wrath a caring community can unleash. Remember these agents are not state level authorities, they’re federal.

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                but these power tripping fascists will think twice about oppressing a well armed proletariat or feel the wrath a caring community can unleash. Remember these agents are not state level authorities, they’re federal.

                And some state government agencies are already fighting back. But, as always, the people have to demand it. Its easy to to kowtow to the wims of the fascist government- just look at a vast majority of the dems in congress- but if you demand this at the state, county, and city level, they are more likely to listen.

                And yes, it is your right in most open carry states to stand with a gun on you near a law enforcement officer who is in the process of their duty, as long as the officer does not perceive you as “interfering with their duty”. You could even record them in many states.

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                  5 days ago

                  Well good luck on your ineffectual protests. I hope they act as a source of pride while everything falls apart. You’ll wish you had bought a gun though.