cross-posted from: https://midwest.social/post/25857740
This is INSANE! Trump is asking the Supreme Court to bless his administration screwing up TO THE POINT THEY CEEDED CUSTODY OF A PERSON THEY DIDN’T HAVE LEGAL CUSTODY OVER and not require them to fix it?
If SCOTUS backs Trump here, literally all is lost. Due process will have NO MEANING if this isn’t fixed ASAP.
Remember, if they did it to this guy the only thing stopping them from doing it to you or me is dumb luck.
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Just for clarity, he’s not a citizen. He did have a legal protected status which was supposed to allow him to remain here or at the very least not be deported to specifically El Salvador. Still fucked, but just want to get the facts straight.
EDIT I misunderstood, he is a citizen of El Salvador, but not the US. I’d seen people claiming he was a US citizen and wanted to correct that.
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Ah, my bad, I misread, I thought they said he was a US citizen. I’ve seen people making that claim and wanted to correct it
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When. At this point, I don’t think this is an if proposition. It’s only a question of how long until it happens.
Doesn’t matter if he was a citizen or not. First, all people within the US are under the umbrella of the constitution and, thus, have rights within our borders. One of those rights is the right to due process. He did not receive any due process, nor did any of those sent to El Salvador. There is nothing then that will catch mistakes like this.
Maybe you or someone thinks that is fine, that non-citizens shouldn’t have constitutional rights like the right to due process. Ok, well then guess what happens when a citizen is “mistakenly” picked up by ICE, thinking they are a non-citizen and receives no due process? The exact same thing that happened to him. If we dont even take enough time to verify one’s identity, then anyone could be treated as a non-citizen and have no legal recourse at all, including a full US citizen. Due process for everyone is the only way to assure that all citizens receive due process as well.
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Oh, believe me, I am in full agreement. This never should have happened, for many, many reasons. I was just attempting to correct what I thought was a factual inaccuracy that does have a material impact on the case.
This shit is going down today. There are three possibilities:
- Supreme Court grants a stay, ignoring the rule of law, and hastening the slide to authoritarianism.
- No stay, and the government hustles to get this man back to the US by midnight tonight. I’d guess it’s like 6-8 hours of flying just to get to El Salvador and back, so the clock is really ticking on this option.
- No stay, and the deadline expires. The government will clearly be in continuous and ongoing contempt of court.
If they don’t get a stay and they make some kind of half hearted “bad man Bukele won’t cooperate” argument, I don’t think Xinis will buy that, and they’ll be back to #3.
Psst. Justice Roberts granted the stay.
Americans and America are fucked that much more.
Yeah. All by himself too; did not refer to the rest of the court. And his order appeared after the plaintiff filed the response that was requested.
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The US is paying them to house those prisoners though, which makes it harder to pass the buck onto Bukele. Not to say they won’t try that argument, but this isn’t just a situation of us dropping him off and saying bye.
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Agree with what you say, was just pointing out that the 6 million payment gives US courts a little more leverage over holding Trump to bring them back. Assuming the SC doesn’t just punt it anyways.
If they managed to get Bukele to make such a statement, and they got it into the district court record, I would guess that Xinis would back off and not press contempt.
If I had to predict the supreme court on this pending appeal, I’m going with 7-2 to deny the stay, with Thomas and Alito dissenting.
This case is moving so fast because the DOJ career lawyer basically conceded the government’s entire case at the hearing last week. The normal rule is that you can’t introduce evidence and arguments on appeal if you didn’t raise them at the district court. The government is now furiously trying to bypass that in these appeals.
So I think some of the conservative justices will be upset with that, and they will also not want to concede power from the courts to the executive branch. They want that power for themselves.
Has Bukele said this? Has the administration made any attempt to return him?
It is possible that they will stonewall, but it is important to force them to do so rather than obeying in advance.
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100% agree that really the supreme Court’s decision here is likely to determine how much longer the horrors last.
If things go well, this won’t last more than 4 years.
If things go poorly this could be the end of the free world as we know it.
Thankfully, there are two other options in this game theory square that both offer a glimmer of hope even if they suggest a period of darkness.
Edit: the supreme court paused the decision. This represents one of the “other two options” in this game theory square. It’s not ideal, but there’s still a path forward.
Hastening the slide? We’re already there. Everything now is just damage control.
Anyone who’s watched Trump for any length of time shouldn’t be at all surprised by this. Just ask the five Black men who wrongfully spent years in jail for the 1989 assault of a jogger in Central Park, before being exonerated in 2002 due to DNA evidence and a confession by the man who actually did it; because a full fourteen years after their release from prison, Trump maintained that they were guilty (and probably still does).
The man is biologically incapable of apologizing or taking responsibility for his actions.
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This. This case is a hard red line for the constitution.
This is a far cry from the U.S. relations going into the toilet for crap like this in the past. Oh how far we’ve fallen.
Never admit you’re wrong, that’s the first rule of being fascist.
