Comrades of the European Internet Forum,
enough is enough!
For decades, we have placed ourselves in the cultural shadows - well-behaved, conformist, as if we were the ill-educated child of the great American moral uncle, who must not be too loud, not too naked and certainly not too independent. While half-naked shoulders are censored at high school graduation ceremonies in the USA, heads are thrown around like bowling balls in TV series. All normal, all ‘entertainment’. But woe betide you if you see a nipple - then the censorship hammer screeches louder than a Trump on Truth Social.
I ask you: What has become of Europe?
We, the continent-born of the Enlightenment, the revolutions, the renaissance of nudity on canvas, in stone and on film - we have allowed a country that bottles cheese in cans, of all things, to tell us what is ‘moral’!
It’s not moral, it’s demurely stupid.
Why are depictions of violence in mass media allowed to flow freely like American fracking oil, but natural, aesthetic, tasteful nudity - which has been part of European art and culture for centuries - is algorithmically filtered out, demonetised and labelled with warnings as if it were uranium?
No more prudish double standards!
We need a cultural return to what we have to offer:
- Enlightenment instead of transfiguration.
- Pleasure instead of violence.
- Nudity as an expression of naturalness - not as a moral offence.
I call on you: Banish pixelated prudery! Let’s tear apart the corset of American moral dictatorship like a badly programmed DRM protection! Save the freedom of the breast - for Europe!
Stop aligning your films, games and series with a market that beeps ‘fuck’ five times but completely waves ‘shoot him in the face’ through.
We are not Hollywood’s post office box. We are Europe. We are culture. We are naked! - So, metaphorically. And sometimes literally. And that’s okay.
Thank you for your attention!
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so… Why are we naked?
Because there is nothing wrong with it.
fair enough i suppose.
I don’t know, but there’s very chilly weather here and my pee pee is shrinking. Maybe we could try again in the summer?
hmm, that’s unfortunate, have you considered putting clothes on? I hear that helps.
Because it’s artistic and natural.
I took my clothes off I don’t know what else is going on but I’m having a good time thanks for inviting me I really appreciate it
Username checks out?
I can see your nutsack!
thanks
Hell yeah! But actually, what?
I have no idea what I just read, but it sounded like something I should agree with
he wants to look at boobs
Ironically this comment implies there’s something morally wrong or depraved about that, or that wanting to look at boobs is an inherently sexual thing (to which only an immoral degenerate would succumb), which is exactly the kind of Puritan-derivative “sex bad” mindset that the post is rallying against.
thats deep
Amen to that.
“A reliable way to incapacitate Americans” @GenosseFlosse
I didn’t take my dick out for Harambe, but I’ll do it for Europe
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The quality has also dropped dramatically since the emergence of American streaming services while creating entertainment has become more accessible with freeware and open source programs. The world lost it‘s appetite for Hollywood slop.
It’s a funny post, but a serious point. The Europe of my childhood was different countries all very different from the US. But over time American media and algorithmic dominance are eroding things toward being America with accents. And what will you get for throwing away that cultural identity? Americans will still sneer at Europe.
I think a trickier question is: if Europe ought to retain its own identity, then shouldn’t each European country retain its own identity instead of banding together as “Europe”.
I find identity tends to be like an onion, in that it has layers.
Also in that picking it apart is an unpleasant experience that frequently ends in tears.
I agree. I like the post and its message, but in general everyone needs to focus less on identity and more on community. People have really lost the plot these days. What are we doing all of this for? So our families will have a good life, right? Everyone the world over is mostly just looking for that.
…Now that you actually put it that way, it’s kinda weird to think of identity as something separate from belonging to a community.
My view is that it’s not necessary to pit regional identity vs European identity. I think it’s possible to have them side by side. I appreciate many things in my region that make up our identity, but at the same time as a European I can also appreciate many cultural aspects of other regions
Why stop there? Go back to the breakdown in feudal times! Which duke do you owe fealty to?
Haha written like a pamphlet during the Industrial Revolution. I love every part of this.
The nudity taboo is a conspiracy by the textile industry to sell more clothes.
HELL YEAH!
light nsfw meme
It’s not gay if the balls don’t touch. So they tell me. :)
They also are probably wearing socks.
it’s not gay. Been there, can confirm
Friends, Romans, Countrymen, lend me your rears!
We are all ich bin ein wieners now.
I’ve been to a bunch of nudist events in Australia, naked bike ride, nude beach, life drawing events, confest hippie festival and some gallery openings. I’ve also studied anatomy. People need to get their head right about what it means to be naked. Everyone has a body, and should be more comfortable with it.
Edit: Chatting with yanks on deaddit, they largely seem so afraid of nudity that they’ll be calling the police if there’s an adult naked around a child where in many other parts of the world it’s completely normal, eg modest family bathing scenes in anime.
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Let’s just let people groom themselves however they prefer. We need to normalise accepting bodies of all kinds instead of pushing people to some particular ideal.
Hear hear! My shaved ball sack is oh so delicious to touch! (That’s not an invitation btw. My balls are mine)
I don’t think you’re wrong that we should let people do what they want but it’s definitely troubling that so many people want pre pubescent hairlessness in their partner. Maybe we should do away with whatever is causing that
I see it as a supernormal stimulus: women’s bodies are less hairy than men’s, so a hairless body is the most feminine. Or, the young are less hairy than the old, so hairlessness is the most youthful.
Though one could argue that it is solely cultural, based on the fact that those preferences do change over time
It makes sense in porn, when the point is to show every detail up close, hair obscures the details. It’s just that so many people then decide porn is what they want to model themselves after, or what they expect of partners…
I mean, yeah, we have become more prudish.
I will say that beyond American religious zealotry and aversion to human bodies there’s a bit of a practical reason, too. In a user-generated media landscape if you allow NSFW without tags you end up becoming a porn site.
But hey, at least around here there’s some NSFW friendliness (and those bits have become a straight up porn site, as expected).
We could definitely bear to be less US-style prudish about nudity in broadcast media again, though. Although I will say that if you think the old school 20th century approach to sex was all enlightened and not full of grubby dudes doing outright #metoo garbage you have some rose tinted glasses going on. Still, we can NOT do that and still not build our tolerance for human bodies on US evangelical nonsense.
Counter argument:
The more places ban nudity the more chance the one site that allows it becomes a porn site.
Currently if you want to post artistic nude you pretty much need to do it on a porn site.
The opposite may also be true, if more places accepted it then the amount of nsfw content spreads out, there might be more porn sites overall but with more incentives to specialize and innovate rather then allowing almost all of it and knowing users will come regardless.
There’s also a certain pendulum swinging effect. From the prude 1950s to the free love of the late ‘60s, the movies of the 1970s were a lot less prude than the 2000s are. It might take another generation growing up in this environment for them to rebel again and we’ll have another summer of love, somewhere in the 2050s
That’s a bit of a US-centric read of things. The big change is that, fascist interludes aside, Europe had stayed quite a bit less prudish than the US. But then cultural imperialism happened, the Internet made all culture a suburb of US culture and now the ideas on what is acceptable or “not suitable for children” or “NSFW” are signficantly more consistent and more US-aligned than before.
I grew up in a time where exposed boobs were a relatively frequent prime time TV occurrence while in the US George Carlin was joking about words you can’t say on TV. These days all cultural taboos are US cultural taboos. The pendulum is swinging upside down.
Are we the hippies now? ;)
Peace and love, my friends.
