From Europe, I see the republicans as a stick and the democrats as a carrot.
You are angry because people refused to vote against the stick, and I understand why, it makes sense.
At the same time, it’s easy to understand that there are people against the carrot&stick system, and I wouldn’t consider them useless idiots for not voting for the carrot.
Also, the carrot is fucking stale.
I consider enabling the “stick” to be beat the fuck out of you just because you’re “not into carrots” to be objectively stupid. I’m a Euro transplant and I can’t see how it is less stupid from a European perspective. The saddest part is that my wife and I have recession-proof professions, people who got us into this situation don’t.
Every time you consider that not holding your opinion is “objectively stupid” you should stop a moment to reflect what those words mean.
Your subjective opinion is that the democrats are the only viable alternative to Trump and so everyone must support them because the alternative is worse.
It is a valid opinion, but it is not by far an objective truth.
Another subjective opinion is that the entire bipartisan system is a single entity focused on maintaining the status quo, and that real change is not possible by voting democrat (or even by voting at all).
It is objectively true that any effort towards strengthening the democrats is not spent elsewhere, and it is also an objective truth that there have been multiple democrat presidents in the last few decades and have been unable or unwilling to effect change to a degree that satisfies leftist voters.
My European perspective is that defending corporate right as an alternative to fascism is an acceptable emergency measure while there are big credible efforts for large scale reforms to at least have a real left voting option, but it’s not by far a solution to the problem.
Maybe instead of calling “useless idiots” all those who didn’t vote for trump, your energy might be better spent trying to build a common platform with them, at least if you want them to vote on the next election.
And if you want that common platform to be the democrats, they will have to change a lot.
Every time you consider that not holding your opinion is “objectively stupid” you should stop a moment to reflect what those words mean.
Thanks, but I’m past elementary school and not here to explain the difference between calling out a direct opposition between stated goals and actual actions, vs “my opinion is the only objective truth”.
Your whole post is incredibly naive.
My European perspective is that defending corporate right as an alternative to fascism is an acceptable emergency measure while there are big credible efforts for large scale reforms to at least have a real left voting option, but it’s not by far a solution to the problem.
And if you want that common platform to be the democrats, they will have to change a lot.
Like centuries of bipartisanism will be magically turned into a Euro-style multiparty coalition system in 3.8 years.
It’s just fucking absurd that people can be beat up and tortured physically and psychologically but I’m being asked to be less mean because it will hurt feewings.
The good news, if you can call it good news, is that Trump and co are so evil, and incompetent, that it’s waking people up to the awful system they live under.
Harris and The Democrats would’ve been able to continue with business as usual and nothing would change. At least now there’s some hope of a left surge in the wake of all this right wing hatred, pain, and suffering
Any reasonable amount that will make a damned but if difference? Yeah no it won’t. People never learn. Even when they suffer under something they will claim it happened because of that thing over there. People won’t change.
Don’t forget the millions of voters as well
This is the important part.
The whole world suffered trump’s first term as a sort of scam that many confused, struggling Americans fell for.
But then y’all go and do it a second time? Fuck you.
What do they say? Fool me once, shame on you…
…can’t get fooled again!
And millions who didn’t vote for him but also didn’t protest his actions.
Imagine how Canadians may feel upon seeing their “friends” go along with Trump’s actions.
Congrats to all the American leftists who refused to vote against trump because they convinced themselves both sides were the same
FTFY. Voting against trumpy was the easiest decision for anybody who opposes fascism.
From Europe, I see the republicans as a stick and the democrats as a carrot.
You are angry because people refused to vote against the stick, and I understand why, it makes sense.
At the same time, it’s easy to understand that there are people against the carrot&stick system, and I wouldn’t consider them useless idiots for not voting for the carrot.
Also, the carrot is fucking stale.
I consider enabling the “stick” to be beat the fuck out of you just because you’re “not into carrots” to be objectively stupid. I’m a Euro transplant and I can’t see how it is less stupid from a European perspective. The saddest part is that my wife and I have recession-proof professions, people who got us into this situation don’t.
Every time you consider that not holding your opinion is “objectively stupid” you should stop a moment to reflect what those words mean.
Your subjective opinion is that the democrats are the only viable alternative to Trump and so everyone must support them because the alternative is worse.
It is a valid opinion, but it is not by far an objective truth.
Another subjective opinion is that the entire bipartisan system is a single entity focused on maintaining the status quo, and that real change is not possible by voting democrat (or even by voting at all).
It is objectively true that any effort towards strengthening the democrats is not spent elsewhere, and it is also an objective truth that there have been multiple democrat presidents in the last few decades and have been unable or unwilling to effect change to a degree that satisfies leftist voters.
My European perspective is that defending corporate right as an alternative to fascism is an acceptable emergency measure while there are big credible efforts for large scale reforms to at least have a real left voting option, but it’s not by far a solution to the problem.
Maybe instead of calling “useless idiots” all those who didn’t vote for trump, your energy might be better spent trying to build a common platform with them, at least if you want them to vote on the next election.
And if you want that common platform to be the democrats, they will have to change a lot.
Thanks, but I’m past elementary school and not here to explain the difference between calling out a direct opposition between stated goals and actual actions, vs “my opinion is the only objective truth”.
Your whole post is incredibly naive.
Like centuries of bipartisanism will be magically turned into a Euro-style multiparty coalition system in 3.8 years.
It’s just fucking absurd that people can be beat up and tortured physically and psychologically but I’m being asked to be less mean because it will hurt feewings.
Also congrats to all the American liberals who are too useless to actually do anything about their horrible country.
The good news, if you can call it good news, is that Trump and co are so evil, and incompetent, that it’s waking people up to the awful system they live under.
Harris and The Democrats would’ve been able to continue with business as usual and nothing would change. At least now there’s some hope of a left surge in the wake of all this right wing hatred, pain, and suffering
Some surge? Maybe?
Any reasonable amount that will make a damned but if difference? Yeah no it won’t. People never learn. Even when they suffer under something they will claim it happened because of that thing over there. People won’t change.
Kamala wouldn’t have won if she got the entire 3rd party vote
There were also 90 million non-voters.
Unfortunately, most of them are not the leftists mentioned at the top of this thread.
A fact that nobody who voted that way could have possibly known ahead of time.
I’d imagine people in democratic strongholds knew their votes weren’t going to make a difference for their state, within a confidence interval.