• slazer2au@lemmy.world
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    29 days ago

    Why are we dicks?

    Imagine being hired as a subject matter expert but every piece of advice you give is ignored. Until something goes catastrophically wrong, now you are pulled into 3 different incident response meeting being blamed for it happening despite you raising the alarm for the past 6-12 months(but you can’t say that because it is non constructive and finger pointing), asking what is happening, when will it be fixed, and how to prevent it from happening again.
    But here is the kicker, the incident started an hour ago and you have been in the meeting for the past 30 min with everyone pointing fingers at you and expecting answers from you but you haven’t even started proper troubleshooting because you were pulled into the meeting.

    Then you ask for a budget to make the systems perform better. You spend 3 months gathering quotes, haggling prices, demoing products but when you lay out your proposal you get ‘That is too expensive or everything is running fine we don’t need that.’ Then next week the sales team say we will start using X software with a cost of 3x what you found and lacks features you must have to maintain your cybersecurity insurance and it gets approved.

    This is not just one bad employer, that is across the world. Subject matter experts thought as cost centres and scapegoats.

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      I am not sure if it is worldwide, or if its just American culture (fuck i hope its just us), but I don’t believe the problem is a form of prejudice against intelligence, but rather that people with intelligence rely only on data and facts to make points. It is a sad truth that while this is the only correct way to make decisions, id guess around 70-80% of the population are simple, and when given solid evidence and reasoning you bore them. Meanwhile the sales team, while having no real evidence or reasoning for their solution was entertaining, and used simple buzzwords management understood delivered with a confident charisma.

      So what do we do about this? We do the only thing we can do, we work on our charisma. It might make you hate yourself a smidge to give a report that focuses more on the emotions of decision making than the reasoning, but the alternative is that bad decisions keep being made that make your life harder. You as the one that knows what the fuck they are talking about will generally have one of the most well reasoned plans in a situation, learn how to be a better guardian of that plan.

      None of this is to say any of this is our fault, its more an acceptance of the world we live in and recognizing how best to play in it.

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        So what do we do about this? We do the only thing we can do, we work on our charisma

        You can’t beat the sales team on that front. Charisma is a key part of their job. They are literally being payed for their ability to convince people to buy things, and this works inside the organization as well as it work on customers.

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          I never said beat them at charisma, I said you need to work on your charisma. In this scenario your idea is still better than theirs, we are just working on presenting it better.

  • Boomer Humor Doomergod@lemmy.world
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    30 days ago

    I once replaced an entire power strip because the user said that it would turn off at random. So I took it back to the IT room and plugged in all the things and watched it, thinking it would short out or blow a circuit breaker or something.

    Then the user called me again saying the new strip was doing the same thing and I should replace it. So I schlepped up to their office and replaced it with a third one.

    Then they called me again saying it keeps happening. So finally I looked at where they had put it and it was right where they’d put it when they pushed to back their chair up from the desk.

    And they didn’t realize it.

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      I had a label printer that was failing to work. I have spent most of the week with IT remoting into my desktop trying to figure out the issue with our cobbled together system. I finally realized after 5 days of this that the software causing the issue was on my co-worker’s computer. Pointing this out to the IT guy got the problem fixed in minutes.

      Sometimes the user has no idea what is and is not signifcant. I had no idea that this was significant only that an icon with similar looks was on my co-workers cluttered desktop.

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    Years ago I was working on a major relocation as a government contractor - like shutting down a base and moving all the civilians to another state kind of major. We were in charge of getting people in the new building set up. Stuff likr making physical connections to the networks (6 different networks in some cases) when the drop is on the other side of the room, setting up specialty stuff like rooftop GPS or cell service antennas to get timing for some of the equipment, and adding or extending drops when some manager decided that the room that has been designated a conference room since before the building was complete should now be his department’s lab, and the lab should be his office.

    Anyway, I get a call from the facilities manager that “Jane Doe” does not have network access, and instead of coming to him or us, she called the Director of the entire fucking command (Senior Executive Service, above a GS-15, so equivalent to an Army General), and the Director is pissed that we screwed this up. Jane is well-known for being a difficult person, to put it mildly. Her whole department was a bunch of entitled prima donnas, and she was the worst of the bunch. So we meet the facilities guy outside the department office, which has about 30 people working in cubicles. I walk in, then turn around and walk back out, and ask him politely how exacty can she be surfing CNN.com on her computer if she has no network access? Turns out she was upset that she didn’t have a pretty blue ethernet cable like a bunch of other folks, and thought they had something that she didn’t. No, she had a fiber connection. The whole ginormous building had SM fiber to all the drops, but this conference room-turned-office only had about 10 or 12 drops, so some people got fiber but most got CAT6 coming from a switch that we installed as a temporary measure to make sure that everyone would be able to have network access until they figured out who was going to pay to install more drops.

  • solsangraal@lemmy.zip
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    30 days ago

    “my computer won’t turn on!!”

    “is it plugged in?”

    “hold on let me check…it’s hard to tell, the power’s out”

    “…”

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      I once helped my parents with a few minor things on one of their computers. Two weeks later I get a call… They have no internet on any of their devices. Obviously since I was the last one to work on their stuff I was the cause of the internet issue. While on the phone I hear my dad’s weather radio go off and my phone dings with a severe weather warning for their area.

      I ask if they are currently experiencing any bad weather… And they confirm that they have a very nasty thunderstorm and a confirmed tornado on the ground a few miles outside of the town… And they have no power.

      I just hung up…

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      I spent over an hour on a support call trying to walk an asshole lady through fixing her Adobe Illustrator, for her to stop mid-instructions to say she couldn’t tell me what the status was because her power was out due to a fucking hurricane in her area! 🤦‍♂️

      Side note: that was one of the two times my bosses didn’t get upset at me for telling off a customer.

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        i actually went to school for computers for a bit, got my A+ and net+, but realized i get fucking outraged at my own computer when it has problems, i couldn’t imagine the murderfest rampage that might ensue if i had to deal with morons and their bullshit computer problems–glad i didn’t pursue it

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          murderfest rampage

          Yep, that’s the correct level of anger, based on empirical evidence. I hate how I fumed at dumb people back in the day.

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    30 days ago

    I once spent 10 hours travelling from Toronto to Iowa (and back to Toronto) to flip a switch on a printer that multiple people had failed to figure out how to flip.

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    29 days ago

    Been doing IT for 20 years.

    The one ray of hope is that the number of entirely tech illiterate people I deal with has decreased. They’re retiring/dying. It’s not nearly as common now to deal with people that don’t understand how to literally turn something on. I also got out of the private sector, so I’m not dealing with the general public, which always made me want to drive my car into oncoming traffic on my way home every day.

    But yeah, I always make a point of embarrassing someone when I have to drive somewhere to do something a toddler could have done if they put them on the phone with me.

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      When I used to work support for home Internet, it was accepted practice to ask if we could speak to the child in the house if we were having trouble with an adult…

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      There’s a whole new generation of tech illiterates being born with a smartphone up their asses. I feel that 80’s kids peaked at tech literacy, then steadily declined from the mid 90s maybe.

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      As another IT guy I’m getting less and less optimistic about that future.

      Software these days “”“just works”“” and so now you have kids and young adults who barely know how to interact with a file explorer, don’t know what the different file extensions mean, or even things I would consider basic like the difference between “network connection” and “WiFi”.

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        This is why being an elder millennial kinda gives you the edge, especially if you have been using computers since the 80s. Old MS-DOS machines forced you to understand how directory management worked.

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    “Are you sure all the wires are connected, USB and power?” (Relating to a scanner.)

    “Yes, I’ve checked several times.”

    get there, USB is firmly connected but the power connector was hanging like 2cm belown the desk, clearly visible when you looked at the back of the scanner.

    At that same trip dropped in to check a complaint about a broken DVD-drive. Turns out it didn’t read DVDs because it was a CD-drive.

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      At that same trip dropped in to check a complaint about a broken DVD-drive. Turns out it didn’t read DVDs because it was a CD-drive.

      “No you’re wrong, it worked before!”

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        "Mam, it’s very clearly labeled ‘CD’ right here."

        It wasn’t really any help talking back to 40-something office Karens as a teenager. The amount of excuses people will go to avoid saying essentially “Oh I see now, that was a silly mistake I’ve made, thank you helping.”

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          The people who swallowed their pride and admitted they screwed up made me want to help them more in the future. Especially if they wanted to learn how to fix it themselves in the future. Same for people who had a legit problem but were calm about it. The people who treated you like the cause of everything or just liked to bitch, well I made sure I took a long trip to the bathroom before getting to them.

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            “Wait, that (completely needless, umpteenth) ticket we have open on your keyboard ‘making weird noises’ hasn’t been dealt with yet? Oh I’m sorry, sir, I did label it ‘urgent’ like you asked. Yes, sir, right away sir. Well, there’s a few things I have to get to before, but I’m confident I’ll make it there today, tomorrow at the latest.”

            hang up, lift feet on the desk, delete ticket, make a new one set to lowest priority

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            Million times this.

            I refuse to help just because you “don’t know computers” and just want someone to do it for you. 90% of your job is on the computer you better fucking try at least.

  • Libra00@lemmy.world
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    Yeah, I feel this one. It really only takes one time getting called in at 3am because half the city has lost internet due to a janitor unplugging a rack full of routers so he’d have a place to plug in his radio while he was mopping to turn into a dick.

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    I had a site that was going down multiple days a week for a hour or two. Turns out a employee was unplugging the small rack surge strip to plug in their coffee maker. They also happened to be the person complaining the loudest about how incompetent IT was. For some reason what she did was understandable and not worthy of a write up. But me telling her not to touch anything connected to server rack was going over the line. She was gone within the year having finally made someone with more suction mad.

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      Hot take; if IT had important gear running on a single power outlet with no UPS where it’s easily accessible and any schmuck could pull the power, she made a pretty compelling point about incompetence.

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        Yes, but it’s incompetence of the management who won’t approve of putting important IT hardware in a protected space

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          Working with small businesses is like working in the jungle, anything goes.

          There’s no budget, 3 working power sockets, the network hardware should be in a museum and there’s a beige box in the closet that absolutely can never be turned off for inexplicable reasons. The last “computer person” who touched anything left no notes and has been missing for 3 months. Also, the printer is broken.

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        You don’t often get to choose a racks location in a small office and the UPS only ran the router and switch for a hour. You sound like you have never worked in the field.

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        In my neck of the woods, most commutes are not paid. Only when you are at the workplace that the meter starts running. OP probably got paid only 15ish minutes, since all they had to do was press a button.

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          If a worker comes in outside their scheduled hours, they should have a minimum call-out charge at their overtime rate.

          I’ve worked a few places where it was two hours, but I’ve had a four hour minimum before.

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    About a decade ago I had to fly across the country to peel a piece of tape off a sensor. At least I got crab cakes

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    You can be as much of a dick as you want, so long as you are right, and can get shit done.

    If you are the kind of IT supergenius that responds to a “my laptop won’t connect to the company network” ticket with “ok I’ll just remote into your laptop real quick”, you better the friendliest guy around.

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      Being dependent on support guys that are not that bright can be really annoying, especially if you are from the field too. As an IT student while working off my civil service days I had a few situations like that.

      For example, one didn’t understand why plugging the Ethernet splitter (splits 4 twisted pairs into 2x 2 twisted pairs) into the switch instead of the structured cabling wasn’t working.

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    If you have to drive 3 hours to push a power button then that sounds like you’re way too far from the jobsite, aka a management problem where they’re trying to contract IT consultants nowhere near their business or hiring too few people who know how to work a button.

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      It’s more about the size of the area on-call IT personnel are expected to cover, cause they’re frequently huge. It’s normally not a problem because the more remote regions have less hardware and thus are less likely to have issues, but it does happen occasionally.

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        It shouldn’t happen for a power button. Even if your IT people are regional, you need somebody on site who can follow technical directions so emergency drives aren’t necessary if you have something like a server that needs to stay up.

        I’ve seen this happen, its always because managers make bad decisions.

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    It’s staggering how hopeless people are with basic tech, not even IT. I remember dealing with people who didn’t even know which black box was their computer and tried to convince me that because the monitor power light was on their computer must be on.

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      I work in IT and hear this about once a week. They also will call the computer anything but a computer. Most common name is the modem 🤦