Oh, sure. Spend billions on moving factories to a xenophobic, undereducated, and burgeoning fascist society instead of expanding into more stable, emerging markets without an unstable fuckwit for a leader.
I mean, that’s exactly what happened with China
Yeah because it was cheaper labor. The US does not have that level of cheap labor.
It doesn’t have that level YET.
That’s also not how that works. China can get away with having cheap labor because it also has cheap cost of living. But the cost of living in the US is ridiculously high. These tariffs are only going to make the cost of living go up.
Yet
Possibly however unlikely.
Surely Americans would riot once they can no longer afford a Big Mac.
An hour of labor hasn’t bought a big Mac for about a decade iirc.
because it was cheaper labor
at some point, eventually, maybe… american’s will come to realise chinas economic growth and domination of manufacturing and technology is built on a far more sophisticated suite of policies (good and bad) then they have been brainwashed into believing.
huawei isn’t huawei bc they pay their employees less.
you should jump on a plane and check it out, genuinely fun country to travel in and you will learn a lot.
no im not a tankie, taiwan fucking rocks.
That’s a dumb argument, labor in the 80s when we started to shift heavily into China was factually orders of magnitude cheaper and they had almost no labor regulations. Now sure they have more protections but that isn’t reflective of years gone by.
Labor protections are necessary and good, however China also has more robust social welfare in general, that’s less cost out of their pocket meaning their wages don’t necessarily have to be as high to have a similar standard of living elsewhere.
Not saying they do, but on the whole they don’t have the same level of disparity we have in the US for instance.
That’s a point sure but a weird and unrelated one that’s strangely boastful of China… Sooo…
What point exactly is it you’re trying to make here and why are you trying to make it to me?
It was relevant to the thread I thought? Just something to think about
Dude, they did, under Biden’s IRA. The one you just tore up.
Jesus, dude. This guy is too old, stupid and evil to lead.
This guy is too old, stupid and evil to lead.
Putin: perfect!
When your president failed
law schoolkindergarden.Here, corrected that for you
I thought he was against immigration.
Illegal immigration. That’s what he’s against.
No, I don’t like Trump, but I don’t feel the need to let people lie about him. I’d rather shit on him accurately, thank you very much.
See- this is a problem. Illegal immigration means one thing, but people hear it and think of a family speaking spanish in the grocery store and assume them to be what ‘illegal immigrants’ are. People just ascribe anything vagely unknown to them as ‘illegal immigrants’ and want it gone not realizing that most of the time the people they are imagining are here legally. It’s still racism but with a technically safe cover word, but many are hearing one thing and thinking another.
So when everyone is talking about illegal immigrants they could mean completely different things depending on who you talk to.
What they mean is:
Hispanic person who went through years of wait-lists and followed every step of the process to the letter of the law = Illegal Immigrant
White person who bribed immigration officials to get expedited entry = Legal Immigrant
Don’t forget literal war refugees given legal status = also illegal
And the question they never ask, is why is there a multi-year wait list? It’s like what steam said about piracy. It’s not a price issue, it’s a service/availability issue.
If undocumented immigrants are a problem, then document them. No need to sneak in if they can just walk through the port of entry and get a job.
Or, I don’t know, just go after the companies and individuals found employing people who don’t have a legal right to work in the country, with fines that can’t be dismissed as a cost of doing business and prison time for those responsible. If there were truly significant consequences for employing people who cannot legally work in the country, people would stop offering exploitative jobs to undocumented immigrants and I can’t help but imagine that people would stop coming, once the primary reason they currently come ceased to exist. Probably also much more cost-effective to track down and nail a single employer, operating out of a fixed location, rather than chasing down 500 individuals working illegally for that company.
Of course, the flip side of this is that cost of living would suddenly see a huge spike once the restaurant, agriculture, construction and sanitation industries, amongst many others, no longer have ready access to a whole labor pool that can be easily exploited with minimal, if any, consequences. If people think groceries or eating out is expensive now, wait until they see the prices when those industries have to pay prevailing wages and benefits to US citizens in order to have staff.
Or if you’re a Ukrainian refugee.
Unless you provide $5 million, then it doesn’t matter, right?
If the government can sell citizenship for $5M why can’t citizens? I will gladly sell mine for $5M, and I know I am not the only one.
I was more talking about the ILlEGaLs argument. As long as they bring money, no one gives a shit lol. Backwards ass mentality.
Or they can just stop providing products and services to america and expand in Asia, Europe and Australia
Failed law school? He failed elementary school
Does he really think businesses pay the tariffs? I doubt it
He knows they don’t but he doesn’t have to pay them and he couldn’t bring himself to care about anyone else.
Are you really trying to find some logic in what Trump says? I think it should already be obvious he has no fucking clue how the economy works.
If we want to be generous with his interpretation he means that if you uproot your entire business (including production) and bring it to the US then you don’t need to pay tariffs because you’re making it all inside the US. Except anyone with even the slightest understand of the entire production process knows that it’s effectively impossible in the timeframe he has forced upon everyone. So we still end up with him having no fucking clue what he is doing.
IF US COMPANIES HAVE NO MATERIALS, THERE ARE NO JOBS.
He means he’ll drop tariffs in companies start building here. Problem is, factory owners aren’t stupid enough to invest in a factory that will become obsolete when these idiot tariffs are dropped.
Even if I had absolute confidence that the tariffs weren’t going to get dropped there would still be no point moving a factory to the US because you would still end up paying the tariffs to get imports of components from China. Because you are definitely getting your components from China.
That’s why tariffs have to be used with tact and they only target very precise items. If you want to increase the number of televisions produced in the United States you only have a tariff on completed televisions, not on displays, and not on microcontrollers. The Trump tariffs are on everything though.
Tariffs do not work.
Even if you just target one item, like this moron did with washing machines 8 years ago, what happened?
Imported washing machines went up 25% in price.
Domestically produces machines went up 25%, because why wouldn’t they gauge more money??
Tariffs only hurt the consumer.
The Trump tariffs are on everything though.
Yeah, he has a tendency to just take a shotgun approach, and later see what sticks. He won’t care about any fallout caused by his approach.
Step 1: Move to the US
Step 2: I.C.E. deports all immigrants (both lawful and unlawful ones)
Step 3: ???
Step 4: Declare Bankrupcy? (because you don’t have anyone to hire, since, you know, they deported everyone)
Walking advertisement for Wharton.
He actually thinks companies can say “hey, let’s move all our shit to the US!” and they can snap their fingers and they’re instantly here. Like they don’t have to buy land, build factories, setup supply chains and work out logistics that would take a long time to do. Fucking moron.
Dumbass didn’t learn from the Foxconn shit in Wisconsin lol
This is his idea of a school in the first place.
wow. he’s not orange in the photo in the top of that article!
That’s not true. You’ll get terrified to hell and back by Canada and other reasonable countries
The problem are the shit-talkers. There are so many advisers talking shit to Trump and he’s just repeating it. There’s more shit coming out of his mouth than there is in his diaper - and there’s alot of shit in his diaper. Trump may be dumb, but he’s still the best politician in america. He reads a room and gets his message across better than anyone. Too bad he’s a rapist, misogynistic, convicted criminal. And so easily influenced by Putin and the Evangelicals. If you want to know what Trump is doing an why, look at the goals and methods of these two.
He’s not a good politician, he’s a good opportunity. A lot over overlap with politics, but very different things.
