• RowRowRowYourBot@sh.itjust.works
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      3 hours ago

      Yes and in practice public ownership isn’t any different than private ownership you just have a different boot on your neck. In the case of public ownership stopping work means going against the state so there’s even a greater incentive for oppression of the workers in some cases.

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        3 hours ago

        Nah. State ownership is only public ownership in a robust democracy. Oligarchical states aren’t public.

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          And thus far no state pursuing Marxist principles as been anything other than totalitarian. There is no democracy among those that seek that path only claims of it as a goal.

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            2 hours ago

            Many nations have been successful in creating communism. White people just tend to forget about tribal societies when they’re discussing politics.

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              First I said “state” not “nation” as those are in no way the same thing please do not substitute one for the other just because it is more expedient for your argument. It is a false equivalence as a state is a hierarchically organized polity and a nation need not have a polity at all.

              No state has achieved communism in their attempt to pursue Marxust principles. They either decline into totalitarianism or abandon the pursuit of socialism and adopt a hybrid system like China has which comes with very mixed results for the working class.

              Are you trying to argue that pre-agricultural societies were making an intentional choice to pursue the ideologies of Marx? That would be an odd position to take given most did not intentionally create an economic system nor would they have heard of Marx.

              Finally, why are you bringing race into this at all? It isn’t relevant and frankly it is inappropriate to highlight race when race isn’t a factor in this.

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                You’re right, of course. States are incompatible with communism. Marx said as much. Anarchism is the only way to a worker owned society.

                That would be an odd position to take given most did not intentionally create an economic system

                Now, that. That is some bullshit. Tribespeople aren’t savages. They think about politics and economics. You’d do well to read Kayanerenko;wa.

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                  It is not inaccurate to suggest that most tribal societies that organized in a communist fashion did not read Marx as most tribes that did this did so before Marx existed or published anything.