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You mean as in, out of the box? Because you can install either or both on any distro. I don’t even have an X server nevermind a Wayland thing on most of my installs of Linux.
For gaming you kinda need Xorg to use Gamescope which adds a lot of useful stuff to gaming on Linux that even Windows doesn’t really have on that same level.
If I needed a graphical desktop for productivity I’d rather install Xorg because it has a lot more software support and options (I mean i3) and no actual flaws or downsides I can think of as an end-user and tinkerer.
I fundamentally don’t know what problem Wayland really solves, like PulseAudio is dogshit so something like PipeWire makes sense.
The cybersecurity arguments against X and window isolation in my professional opinion are utterly absurd, anything with that level of access will have access to all that shit in virtually every other way.
I didn’t say most. I said many. As for why and whether it’s a good thing, that really isn’t up to anyone but the people working on said distros. I’m not gonna argue with you over it, because I don’t really care either way. But it looks like things are moving in that direction, and I wouldn’t be surprised if SteamOS defaults to running things under Wayland in the future.
It’s not like it’s particularly hard to tell KDE not to log in to a Wayland session, so I don’t see the harm in it if they do.
Huh? You didn’t answer what you even meant. Are you suggesting distros will ship Wayland as the sole display protocol out of the box, or are you saying there are distros that are or are planning to drop their X server packages entirely?
And of course it’s not up to the developers only, we can discuss, scrutinize and if need be criticise it. This isn’t windows.
Your entire comment makes very little sense to me.
No, I’m saying that some distros run things under Wayland by default. The distro I use, Bazzite, does this. You can still use Xorg if you want, but the default session is Wayland. It isn’t the sole display protocol, because you can also select X11 when you log in, if you run into some compatibility problem.
Okay so you’re saying they have a default setting which is a fairly meaningless metric. As the dev confirmed below they also ship without X11 (only Xwayland presumably) which is a more substantial change.
Bazzite founder here, We actually ship with no X11 session installed. This change was made when we rebased on Fedora 41.
You can of course install one, but it’s our policy that if you open an issue while using X11 we ask you to try again on Wayland, and if it doesn’t happen there your issue is getting closed.
When proton rebases on the latest wine we will be very close to being in a position where we can just remove all xWayland packages, I suspect that will happen in the next few years.
Oh, I remember back in the day when X11 was there, but I honestly haven’t used it in ages, so I never noticed it was gone. Thanks for the clarification!
But for how long? Many distros are switching to Wayland, and there’s no reason to assume SteamOS won’t follow suit in the future.
“most distros are switching to Wayland”
You mean as in, out of the box? Because you can install either or both on any distro. I don’t even have an X server nevermind a Wayland thing on most of my installs of Linux.
For gaming you kinda need Xorg to use Gamescope which adds a lot of useful stuff to gaming on Linux that even Windows doesn’t really have on that same level.
If I needed a graphical desktop for productivity I’d rather install Xorg because it has a lot more software support and options (I mean i3) and no actual flaws or downsides I can think of as an end-user and tinkerer.
I fundamentally don’t know what problem Wayland really solves, like PulseAudio is dogshit so something like PipeWire makes sense.
The cybersecurity arguments against X and window isolation in my professional opinion are utterly absurd, anything with that level of access will have access to all that shit in virtually every other way.
I didn’t say most. I said many. As for why and whether it’s a good thing, that really isn’t up to anyone but the people working on said distros. I’m not gonna argue with you over it, because I don’t really care either way. But it looks like things are moving in that direction, and I wouldn’t be surprised if SteamOS defaults to running things under Wayland in the future.
It’s not like it’s particularly hard to tell KDE not to log in to a Wayland session, so I don’t see the harm in it if they do.
Huh? You didn’t answer what you even meant. Are you suggesting distros will ship Wayland as the sole display protocol out of the box, or are you saying there are distros that are or are planning to drop their X server packages entirely?
And of course it’s not up to the developers only, we can discuss, scrutinize and if need be criticise it. This isn’t windows.
Your entire comment makes very little sense to me.
No, I’m saying that some distros run things under Wayland by default. The distro I use, Bazzite, does this. You can still use Xorg if you want, but the default session is Wayland. It isn’t the sole display protocol, because you can also select X11 when you log in, if you run into some compatibility problem.
Okay so you’re saying they have a default setting which is a fairly meaningless metric. As the dev confirmed below they also ship without X11 (only Xwayland presumably) which is a more substantial change.
Bazzite founder here, We actually ship with no X11 session installed. This change was made when we rebased on Fedora 41.
You can of course install one, but it’s our policy that if you open an issue while using X11 we ask you to try again on Wayland, and if it doesn’t happen there your issue is getting closed.
When proton rebases on the latest wine we will be very close to being in a position where we can just remove all xWayland packages, I suspect that will happen in the next few years.
Oh, I remember back in the day when X11 was there, but I honestly haven’t used it in ages, so I never noticed it was gone. Thanks for the clarification!