• tacosanonymous@lemm.ee
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    21 hours ago

    I’ve literally seen "but Ukraine has Nazis” before.

    Edit. Thanks everyone. I don’t need an explanation. I’m just saying that if I cared to, I could pull those receipts.

    • chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world
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      The best propaganda uses elements of truth or even wholly true premises. It’s the conclusion that’s wrong (“therefore we should X”).

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      It probably is true. I’m sure there is at least on Nazi in the entirety of Ukraine.

      Does that justify invasion? No, not really

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        If you can identify them, it justifies flying over there to punch them in the face. I’m sure Indiana Jones can find some ancient relic there to justify the trip.

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        second-off Azov Brigade have confirmed neo-Nazis in their ranks

        That goes for pretty much every single military in the world unfortunately. It’s not really worth singling them out when there are Russians running around with black sun symbols and SS-Skulls at the same time.

        Besides, Ukraine has done a huge amount of work to clear up these elements and pretty much none of the founding members of Azov remain in active service. The entire brigade has been almost fully replaced after Mariupol.

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          The old issue with Azov had a lot to do with them receiving weapons and training from U.S. military prior to the full russian invasion in 2022. The backtracking and legitmization of the battalion in response is typically what people are most critical of. Seems silly how those optics used to be a concern.

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        So does Russia though. So does Israel and I’m pretty sure Hamas also has a ton of hardcore reactionaries. I never understood what that argument is meant to achieve except spread disinfo

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          Related. Fuck them all but some people sure like to pick and choose.

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              That’s what the meme was saying, i agree.

              Despite Hamas and Azov being in similar situations (PS: Fuck them both but not all of resistance in those countries are just them) tankies are pretty suspicious in only supporting one. It’s almost as if they’re biased and not being true with their intentions.

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            Yet they’re far from a majority. As long as the populace is sufficiently educated and the rule of law is observed, the Nazis should be largely kept at bay.

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      Can’t help but feel the creation of a hard right organisation is a natural out come of an invasion of your territory

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      You look at any nation’s army and you see a bunch of nationalist assholes there, no exceptions. Some of those are literally neo-nazis. Azov is has pretty high concentration of those, it was a non-government lead army comprised of uktra-nationalists and for sure was problematic as hell.

      Ukraine took over Azov when the war escalated in 2022, and they’re using Azov as any other battalions in the defence of their country because they need men and these men are willing to give their lives to defend the country, and that’s what Ukraine needs right now - without it there would be no Ukraine anymore.

      Of course it’s easy to yell at Nazi from the safety of your home thousands of kilometres from the country being invaded by an army lead by a shitbag in a bunker, but Ukraine needs every single one of these men to prevent being absorbed into another oblast in the Ruzzian empire. Sometimes bad people end up doing good things

      That being said, every Nazi deserves to be fucked in the face with a brick

      Sorry for drunk rambling