Vincent Oriedo, a biotechnology scientist, had just such a question. What lessons have been learned, he asked, from Harris’s defeat in this vital swing county in a crucial battleground state that voted for Joe Biden four years ago, and how are the Democrats applying them?

“They did not answer the question,” he said.

“It tells me that they haven’t learned the lessons and they have their inner state of denial. I’ve been paying careful attention to the influencers within the Democratic party. Their discussions have centred around, ‘If only we messaged better, if only we had a better candidate, if only we did all these superficial things.’ There is really a lack of understanding that they are losing their base, losing constituencies they are taking for granted.”

“We have set ourselves up for generational loss because we keep promoting from within leaders that that do not criticise the moneyed interests. They refuse to take a hard look at what Americans actually believe and meet those needs.”

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    What funny is everyone knows for a fact what lesson they should’ve learned, and if you ask 3 people they will give you 5 contradicting answers, every single one of which will be the most important strategy advice that stupid dems don’t see. It will usually can be boiled into “They need to focus on this specific issue and only on it, to the detriment of all the others”.

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      All voters say Democrats should cut ties with big corporations and focus on economic populism. Taxing big corporations not identity politics whilst giving corporations a tax break.

      Bernie Sanders is what people would have voted for. There is no confusion. The Democratic party does not “understand” this because they do not want to understand it.

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        Doesn’t really seem like America really wants to cut ties with big corporations, seeing how people are voting. Nor identity politics for that matter, seems more important than ever among the right wing. Just that their identity politics is of a different kind.

        I’m not saying I know wether it would be a good idea to actually do what you’re proposing. But I think people are way to quick to know the solution. Because it resonates with their own beliefs.

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        Well, Bernie participated in two primaries, and in both cases he demonstrably, objectively lost the popular vote, which means that people did not vote for him.
        Which is exactly what I am talking about, your idea sounds good to you, but you base it on your vibes, and numbers tell the different story apparently.

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            The whole thing about popular vote (I repeat, popular vote) is that whatever you think about the process of actually choosing candidate, and whatever trickery the DNC did, it does not affect how the popular vote went. There could be something to your words if there was a popular vote swinging one way and electoral picking swinging the other, but it wasn’t the case. All the millions people who in your mind would vote for Bernie didn’t show up to do it twice. Either that because they don’t vote and don’t know how democracy works, or because they don’t exist I don’t know, and I leave it up to you to decide which is worse.