That’s just them saying that the count is off. Theyre not calling anyone not trans. If I did a survey and the results were faulty about the amount of Black people, would it be racist to say the numbers seem off? About 0.5-1.6% of people in the US identify as trans. It would be quite a feat if half of their users were trans, when the unifying ideology is communism. Of course there are more trans people with leftist views, but what percentage of leftists are trans? We don’t have that number, but the chances of it equaling out to half of any user base that isn’t specifically trans-oriented are slim.
If they were to say “50% Of our user base has blue eyes,” it wouldn’t be hateful of blue eyed people to say that number is incorrect. It’s not about he identity of the unifying quality, it’s literally just about the claim that the number is way higher than it realistically is. You’re equating the hateful desire to erase trans people with simply saying “I don’t think the numbers can be that high.” Because it’s a touchy subject. But calling into question the probability isn’t hateful. Just math.
That is not the same as telling someone they aren’t trans. He’s expressing doubt about the veracity of the results of the poll, not about any particular user(s)
We read the same statement. I interpret it as “I believe less than half of the userbase of the instance is trans” which does not rise to the level of telling someone they aren’t trans. Was anyone specific named or called out as “not trans”? Was there any direct accusation of insincerity or fakery with regards to an individual’s self-identification?
They conduct their own demographic polling - unless you believe their users are lying about their identity there is more demographic evidence in support of that figure than there is evidence to the contrary.
With regards to the polling you’ve referenced: of the 598 respondants, less than half indicated that they were definitively not cisgender. Hexbear, per prolewiki has “over 1,400 monthly users”.
Not only does the raw data from the self-report survey not bear out the premise that half of the users are trans, it also does not factor in response bias, which impacts any such survey.
less than half indicated that they were definitively not cisgender
It is just as accurate to say that less than half indicated that they definitively are cisgender - it depends on if you include questioning individuals is a part of the culturally dominant majority cisgender group, or if you view the questioning of your socially-reinforced gender as a departure from the norm.
Hexbear, per prolewiki has “over 1,400 monthly users”.
A sample group of 42% in any survey would be considered a high-quality representation, even when including the likelihood of response bias. But, then again, there’s still even less evidence for assuming it’s inaccurate simply because trans and communist identities are extremely uncommon in the general population - especially when hexbear is explicitly a trans-friendly leftist space.
Of course it can be. But the viewpoint called into question is “I don’t believe that half the users are trans”. Based on the data you personally referenced, that is a valid viewpoint for someone to hold without telling anyone who identifies specifically as trans that they are wrong about their gender.
that is a valid viewpoint for someone to hold without telling anyone who identifies specifically as trans that they are wrong about their gender.
It’s not a matter of opinion - either you’re interpreting that demographic survey and excluding the 10% who are not sure if they are trans or not, or you’re questioning the accuracy of the poll based on response bias or some other reason you’re not mentioning. Saying “I don’t believe this figure” isn’t born out of a reaction to that information, it’s simply an expression of disbelief that there could possibly be that many trans communists in a community you personally dislike.
Further, 598 is not 42% of “over 1,400”.
Ok… so what would you say is a reasonable estimate, then? 40%? 35%? Those are still very high sample rates
Hexbear existed as its own thing long before there were any lib instances to troll. It’s far more likely that their ideological framework is earnest and is simply incompatible with your own.
I don’t see anyone doing that in this example. Are you misinterpreting the meaning of the original statement?
“I definitely do not believe half their users are trans”
That’s just them saying that the count is off. Theyre not calling anyone not trans. If I did a survey and the results were faulty about the amount of Black people, would it be racist to say the numbers seem off? About 0.5-1.6% of people in the US identify as trans. It would be quite a feat if half of their users were trans, when the unifying ideology is communism. Of course there are more trans people with leftist views, but what percentage of leftists are trans? We don’t have that number, but the chances of it equaling out to half of any user base that isn’t specifically trans-oriented are slim.
If they were to say “50% Of our user base has blue eyes,” it wouldn’t be hateful of blue eyed people to say that number is incorrect. It’s not about he identity of the unifying quality, it’s literally just about the claim that the number is way higher than it realistically is. You’re equating the hateful desire to erase trans people with simply saying “I don’t think the numbers can be that high.” Because it’s a touchy subject. But calling into question the probability isn’t hateful. Just math.
That is not the same as telling someone they aren’t trans. He’s expressing doubt about the veracity of the results of the poll, not about any particular user(s)
We read the same statement. I interpret it as “I believe less than half of the userbase of the instance is trans” which does not rise to the level of telling someone they aren’t trans. Was anyone specific named or called out as “not trans”? Was there any direct accusation of insincerity or fakery with regards to an individual’s self-identification?
They conduct their own demographic polling - unless you believe their users are lying about their identity there is more demographic evidence in support of that figure than there is evidence to the contrary.
With regards to the polling you’ve referenced: of the 598 respondants, less than half indicated that they were definitively not cisgender. Hexbear, per prolewiki has “over 1,400 monthly users”.
Not only does the raw data from the self-report survey not bear out the premise that half of the users are trans, it also does not factor in response bias, which impacts any such survey.
K, if the survey is wrong then it can be wrong the other way too, maybe OVER half the user base is trans.
Sure, it could be. But there is no inherent level of “telling someone they aren’t trans” by stating a belief that less than half are.
Not if there’s actual evidence to the contrary
It is just as accurate to say that less than half indicated that they definitively are cisgender - it depends on if you include questioning individuals is a part of the culturally dominant majority cisgender group, or if you view the questioning of your socially-reinforced gender as a departure from the norm.
A sample group of 42% in any survey would be considered a high-quality representation, even when including the likelihood of response bias. But, then again, there’s still even less evidence for assuming it’s inaccurate simply because trans and communist identities are extremely uncommon in the general population - especially when hexbear is explicitly a trans-friendly leftist space.
Of course it can be. But the viewpoint called into question is “I don’t believe that half the users are trans”. Based on the data you personally referenced, that is a valid viewpoint for someone to hold without telling anyone who identifies specifically as trans that they are wrong about their gender.
Further, 598 is not 42% of “over 1,400”.
It’s not a matter of opinion - either you’re interpreting that demographic survey and excluding the 10% who are not sure if they are trans or not, or you’re questioning the accuracy of the poll based on response bias or some other reason you’re not mentioning. Saying “I don’t believe this figure” isn’t born out of a reaction to that information, it’s simply an expression of disbelief that there could possibly be that many trans communists in a community you personally dislike.
Ok… so what would you say is a reasonable estimate, then? 40%? 35%? Those are still very high sample rates
That’s the only snip we need because we are talking about hexbear, you know, the instance designed to be a troll instance…
I could believe it if it was Beehaw… Maybe lemmynsfw
Hexbear existed as its own thing long before there were any lib instances to troll. It’s far more likely that their ideological framework is earnest and is simply incompatible with your own.